Sorry can't do the quotey thing.
Rufus:
Most people do look at the victims, no one has ever ever said that its just women that are hurt by men.
Good, but on male-dominated forums this issue is not discussed at all.
the correct comment to 'some men can be violent' is 'yes some men are'.
In the same way as as saying "yes, some men are and the victims are likely to be men" is also correct. I don't agree that there is only one "correct" reply to a comment, it would get boring quickly don't you think?
The fact that men are often the victims does not negate the statement 'most violence is caused by men'.
Agree, I am not trying to negate that in any way. As I have said in my posts.
Windows: Forestdad you want us to ignore the FACT that violence is virtually exclusively commited by MEN so as not to alienate MEN?
No, by posting referenced facts I was trying to show some, not ignore them.
Holy shit. How about you start admonishing MEN for committing the violence instead of women for naming it eh?
OK, to all the violent men reading this: "stop it now". I don't know any violent men so I'm not sure if they often read parenting forums!
Have I admonished anyone for naming it? I don't think I have.
Pumper
ForestDad I’m going to assume from your nickname that you’re male.
Yes
Do you class yourself in the same category at these men who are commiting acts of violence?
No
If not, why would you be offended at someone pointing out that most acts of violence are committed by men?
I'm not offended by it, just trying to make a wider point within the subject and as often happens on here then gets shouted at by people who don't want to take a wider look at the whole picture.
And, like a PP, why would you come onto a thread about male violence, with so many facts and discussions, and NOT say ‘that’s horrific, here’s what I do, as a man, to try and stop this’? Why would you immediately try to minimise the numbers, instead of facing the facts and help combat it?
I posted the facts in my first post. That's what I did!!! 395 men and 175 women to year end Mar 16, the latest figures available.
It is horrific and affects many people's lives. In the grand scheme of things though, poor healthcare and accidents affect far more people than violence. Luckily in the UK we are not affected by war, gang violence, ethnic cleansing etc. so there are relatively few deaths caused by violence. If one wanted to reduce the number of people dying because of others' actions, one could focus effort elsewhere and have a greater impact.
In my personal life I have done what I can at various times to have a positive impact on the world and like most men have ben the victim of physical intimidation and violence in the past.
Through volunteering I have talked with people who are victims of violence and potentially those who are perpetrators. I'm not an expert but I do at least understand a little of the problems in this area.
I absolutely disagree that you picked those stats because they were most relevant - you picked them because you disagreed (wrongly) with my ‘113 women killed in 2016’ comment and you wanted to minimise that. Why?
You can disagree with my what I was thinking an hour or so ago to your heart's content, doesn't change it. I wasn't trying to minimise it, but just including one gender's victimhood is less than half the story if you are talking about male violence, as you have pointed out yourself.
I have not seen a single poster on here suggesting that male violence only affects females. I can see however, that posters would love to think that’s true so we can all indulge in a bit of feminist bashing instead of concentrating on the real issue - male violence.
See your sentence immediately above this one... Why do I keep seeing this 113 figure then, not the number of PEOPLE killed by men?