to be sick of all the man/boy hate.

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What the hell is going on? Men are not the devil. Boys are not the devil. I have sons and all I read is how as white males they are basically considered the spawn of satan. When did males become the enemy? Surely there are good and bad individuals who happen to be male or female?

I was horribly bullied at school by females and again at work by females, however, I don't consider all females to be evil. They were horrible individuals who happened to be female.

It's really depressing and scary.

The thing is that decent men are aware that men commit most violence. It’s not a surprise to them or something they have to be protected from!

“We would be better off working with men rather than always against them”

I don’t understand this.

The woman next door to my mother was murdered. Her ex drugged their kids so they wouldn't hear him beat her to death. Before he stabbed her he punched every single tooth out of her jaw.

Now we know this is violent, but considering men do this and not women we have to attribute some of that to being male. To ignore this common element is frankly bonkers.

7000 victims of voyeurism or indecent exposure report a male perp.

Most of the 400,000 incidents of sexual assault have a male perp.

In the UK a prisoner is four times as likely to be male sex offender than a female serving time for anything.

Sorry but who is working against men?

Once we can as a society acknowledge the problem.....that 76% of violent crime is committed by men .......then we can work towards reducing that statisticand helping those men. If we keep pretending that it isn’t men commuting these crimes then we cannot help anyone.

I genuinely did think it was 90%+ of violent crime that were committed by men. Not this 76% figure thats being said in this thread.

Men are much more likely to be subjected to violence than women!

Who commits this violence? Who commits most violence against men, and most violence against women, and almost all sexual assault?

(I know that figure excludes sexual crimes)

Oh of course, sorry.

Did we ever get an answer as to why sexual violence is somehow not counted in violence stats? Simply so that we can reduce the percentage of violence by men? How very odd. I would say sexual assault is a 'valid' form of violence. I have no idea why anyone would say it wasn't?

when did gender become a "class"?

The problem that I see is young girls being brought up to believe they are entitled, treated like princesses and put on a pedestal; in terms of manipulative behaviour, they get away with too much. Whereas people are bringing up boys differently and telling them to "grow up" and "man up" and without sympathy and empathy.

I am talking about 7-8 year olds.

You talk about the boys that are men now and the problems that this "class" is causing - what on earth will happen to these children being brought up this way?

mrsmrs you have a point. My 9 yes old ds is constantly harassed at school by a girl in his Year who wants to hug /kiss /touch him (against his will). The teachers and her parents think it’s “cute” and say “awww she loves him”. If it was my ds doing this to a girl he would be labelled a predator and dealt with severely I’m sure.
Girls are seen as precious little princesses who can do no wrong, and they often have toys and clothes to reinforce that - think of the slogans on their t shirts. Boys on the other hand are “little monsters” or “trouble”.
Oh and I see yet another thread on so called “gender disappointment” on mn today, I despair!

The problem that I see is young girls being brought up to believe they are entitled, treated like princesses and put on a pedestal; in terms of manipulative behaviour, they get away with too much

Right. And they are vilified for it. I’ve heard so many people of both sexes start sentences with “girls are .....manipulative/ too emotional/divas/bitchy” so casually that they obviously believe these ideas to be socially acceptable.

Then they state their preference for boys because they just use their fists and get over it whilst girls linger in their bitchy psychological games.

There’s an undeniable preference in society for how boys do things over how girls do things.

We may put girls on a pedestal but we then resent them their so called privilege. We encourage them to be princessy, to be obsessed with looks then we berate them for being vain. We constantly tell them they need to be enticing but then we blame them for being too enticing.

Meanwhile boys’ so called simplicity is praised.

OnTheList this is from 2013, so fairly recent although I’d love to see more recent stats if anyone can provide them. From fullfact.org

For crimes against the person, the latest figures chime with the numbers quoted in the Times. Men were responsible for 33,171 offences or 89% of the total in 2011/12. For sexual offences, men were found guilty in 98% of cases (although there are problems with the data as many crimes of this type go unreported).

I don’t know why they’re not counted with violent stats, ONS treats them seperatey too. I’m sure someone here will have an answer for us though.

Here for anyone else who fancies a look.

fullfact.org/crime/bad-and-dangerous-know-do-men-commit-almost-all-crime/

ifyousee yes and it is wrong that girls brought up like this are set up to believe that their behaviour as they grow up is acceptable.

I equally see boys of this age fighting, running over the table at mealtimes and beating the cr*p out of others the same age "oh boys will be boys"; "they'll work it out"

well yes to some extent they will work it out but I am not a fan of the bully winning - hitting shouldn't be praised and they should be told to find compromises and communicate.

the running over the table when eating - "they can't sit down for 5 minutes, so full of energy"

Sexist statements and labelling (she's such a tomboy) errr, no, she's interested in lots of things; (so shy) grrr! whether directed at boys or girls does not help give children a chance to develop

Ifyousee very true. My son is just starting to see diva like behaviour in his girlfriend. He’s smart enough to realise this comes from her upbringing and her position as the youngest child and only girl in a family of boys. But he’s rightly calling her out on it.

So missy and mrs

You think your daughters are manipulating and put on a pedestal

That seems a bit of a shame

Why did you put them on a pedestal in the first place

Rufus err.... I don’t have daughters, it’s what I see other parents (and teachers and pretty much most of society) doing.

Aaah

So no daughter

Sorry it sounded like you knew what little girls were like because you had one rather than just having a pop at little girls that you dont know

My apologies I completely misunderstood

Personally i havent seen any manipulation or diva behavior from little girls of my acquaintance (they are virtually all older now)

But it might be down to different friendship groups and parenting behaviors or something

The problem that I see is young girls being brought up to believe they are entitled, treated like princesses and put on a pedestal; in terms of manipulative behaviour, they get away with too much. Whereas people are bringing up boys differently and telling them to "grow up" and "man up" and without sympathy and empathy.

You talk about the boys that are men now and the problems that this "class" is causing - what on earth will happen to these children being brought up this way?

I'll hazard a guess and say that the girls brought up in this silly way will still not assault, murder and abuse people at the same rates as men. Are you really equating the societal problems posed by the majority of those acting entitled and manipulative being female (if such is indeed the case) and the majority of those committing violent crimes being men?

I have both boys and girls and I don't relate in the least to what you are describing by the way.

I adore my boys pallisers

They are virtually perfect

My boys obviously...not everyone elses boys

No I don't have daughters myself but I see this going on around me - both personally in relatives and also in a school setting.

pallisers I have no idea whether they will assault anyone but by widening the gender gap in terms of the way some children are brought up is surely not going to lessen the assaults on women and girls (oh and also boys and men) by males.

Can you not see that by backing up boys' violent behaviour and by setting girls a disney princess to look up to the problem is not going to go away?

Also, seeing alot of the girls' behaviour (spoilt) and the boys' reactions to them getting away with so much the boys are starting to be hacked off by a young age.

Surely, not a good thing?

I am merely pointing out that yes these statistics are shocking - so let's try and do something about future generations

Or do you believe that nothing will change because the "class" of men are will commit these crimes whatever we do?

Ok I think I get what you are saying. Statistics are shocking so to "do something about future generations" we need to deal with girls being princessified and acting all entitled and manipulative. Because they make the boys hacked off and then of course the boys will be violent. So women and girls should modify their behaviour so boys and men don't hit them.

To be honest, I think this strategy is already in existence and not really working that well.

pallisers

Parents of girls need to do something because girls are put on a pedestal

Not parents of boys

Actually its the biggest load of horseshit...complete and utter bollocks

If we did put girls on pedestals and treated them like princesss

THEN THEY WOULDNT BE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED OR MURDERED WHEN THEY GET BIGGER

pallisers
Pathetic

goodnight

I think that fucking Cinderella has a lot to fucking answer for

Oh too many fuckings

How about

That sodding cinderella has a lot to fucking answering for

Is that better