to be sick of all the man/boy hate.

[churchoflego]

What the hell is going on? Men are not the devil. Boys are not the devil. I have sons and all I read is how as white males they are basically considered the spawn of satan. When did males become the enemy? Surely there are good and bad individuals who happen to be male or female?

I was horribly bullied at school by females and again at work by females, however, I don't consider all females to be evil. They were horrible individuals who happened to be female.

It's really depressing and scary.

Don't think you're isolating any causal factors when you identify the problem as a demographic that encompasses half the population.

"And I agree as a mother of 3 boys I worry much more about them being victims of violent crime than than my sister does about her girls."
Do you? How about when those girls grow up-is she worried about domestic violence? How about sexual abuse? Is she worried about that?

You're being overly simplistic, presumably deliberately.

Don't think you're isolating any causal factors when you identify the problem as a demographic that encompasses half the population.

What does this mean?

I would hazard a guess that a high proportion of the men killed by women are killed because they have been perpetuating violence against that woman for some time before she flips. So not as straightforward as a percentage as it seems.

lady it’s a third. Another third are killed by other men.

ReliefOfChaos Those stats don't include rape as a violent crime, but maybe you don't think that's important?

Don't think you're isolating any causal factors when you identify the problem as a demographic that encompasses half the population.

I’ve worked it out. You’re saying ‘76% of violent crimes are committed by men, not 76% of men are violent’ - which has been done to death.

angels

Cant think why sexual assault or rape aren't considered violent crime

Oooh...nope, no idea

Errrrmmmm

You only have to listen to the news in the morning to understand that men as a class have a serious problem. Today on the news, the taxi driver that raped 100s of women, a little girl murdered and police have arrested a male relative etc etc.

I am the mother of two wonderful boys. Until recently I used to say not all men and boys. I now realise I was wrong. That men as a class/group do cause a lot of societies problems.

As a mother to a boy, i want to make sure hes bought up right without the boys will be boys bullshit. Hes tiny and already im constantly correcting that no hes not rough/vocal/angry because hes a boy and his best friend isnt dainty/shy/sweet because shes a girl. They are toddlers and can run the guantlet of emotions and tantrums.

Its hard being a parent full stop. You want the best for your kids and for them to be the best: healthy happy compassionate and respectful.

"And I agree as a mother of 3 boys I worry much more about them being victims of violent crime than than my sister does about her girls."

I find this astounding tbh. Especially after the poster who is challenenging the stats specifically did say about 98% of sexual violence being committed by men. So it seems that sexual violence is disregarded for sake of this conversation. Also how on earth would you be able to compare how much you worry about your child to how much someone else worries about theirs.

Yes, boys/men are also at risk of male violence. And the few women who commit violence also but its overwhelmingly men.

I have a boy and a girl and I will worry about both, as a parent always does. But I acknowledge that my girl is extremely likely to be sexually asaulted which terrifies me. My first sexual assault was when I was 10. Random man on the street. Whilst there is a small chance that by son will suffer this too, it does noone any good to pretend that girls are not hugely at risk. And that generally, when boys are attacked again, its male violence.

Why on earth does the term male violence upset some so much.

Apparently blokes are more likely to be the victims of violence when they go out drinking. Statistically the most dangerous thing a woman can do is get married to a man.

If you and your husband are bringing your son up to respect women and not harass or belittle them there isn’t a problem.

Pumper the pumper - no, you haven't. I'm saying the grouping is too diverse to have much in common, except ownership of a cock (and not even that 100%, I suppose). Plus you can't really do anything about being male. You identify poverty as a causal factor of violence you can reduce poverty. You identify alcohol and drugs as a causal factor can tackle that (although that hasn't gone well in the past). You can't reduce or eliminate 'maleness', and you can't link any aspect of 'maleness' to violent crime because there no consistent aspects of 'maleness'.

Pumper the pumper - no, you haven't. I'm saying the grouping is too diverse to have much in common, except ownership of a cock (and not even that 100%, I suppose). Plus you can't really do anything about being male. You identify poverty as a causal factor of violence you can reduce poverty. You identify alcohol and drugs as a causal factor can tackle that (although that hasn't gone well in the past). You can't reduce or eliminate 'maleness', and you can't link any aspect of 'maleness' to violent crime because there no consistent aspects of 'maleness'.

I disagree. You can appreciate factors like toxic masculinity. You can see how encouraging boys to fight could produce violent adults. You could look for trigger points - domestic assaults rise with every World Cup, for example. You could stop using ‘not all men’ as a way to stop discussion, you could look at the age descriptor of the men most likely to commit a violent crime on the previous page and target them. You could make it absolutely abundantly clear to all the boys and men in your life that there’s absolutely no excuse for any kind of misogyny.

You can’t do anything about being male but you absolutely can recognise that male violence is an issue and deal with it accordingly. The first step is realising it exsists, and you have that with the facts I gave you a while ago.

You can also do all these things without including the words 'male'.

You can’t discuss male violence without using the qualifier ‘male’, no.

What’s your solution to tackling this problem - I’m assuming you do see it as a problem?

The problem of violence you mean? (See what I did there? I'm discussing it without using the mandatory qualifier). Sorry, but as I said we've been on that for pretty much the entire history of civilization. Sometimes things are as shit as they are because that's honestly the best we can do, and to be fair I don't think violent crime and violence towards women has even been lower than it is now.

Personally I see women as the bigger problem.

Most males are brought up by women, so therefore women are the root problem.

I prefer male company so much more, especially in the climate of today - women are so hateful and act so 'entitled' that they are mostly embarrassing.

Why on earth 'males' want to act out being 'female' truly baffles me.

I do think identifying problems as belonging to a CLASS, whether you call it analysis or profiling or just plain prejudice is a step towards violence though.

Most males are brought up by men and women surely

I prefer male company so much more, especially in the climate of today - women are so hateful and act so 'entitled' that they are mostly embarrassing.

Ah yes, the "I'm not like other women, I'm more like the men" argument, that somehow tries to convey superiority over those mere women who aren't more like the men.

Wrong again, it’s rising. And generally we try to reduce crime figures. How many women a week should be killed by men before you admit it’s a problem?

I do think identifying problems as belonging to a CLASS, whether you call it analysis or profiling or just plain prejudice is a step towards violence though.

How so?