To be furious teachers keep sitting 'naughty' kids next to my 'angelic' DC

[Flaky]

So he is then upset by them being mean to him and doesn't want to go to school?

This is at least the 3rd occasion a kid like this has been moved next to him.

Last year the teacher admitted that she had done it so DS's good influence rubs off but why should he suffer for it?

He's the youngest in the class as well (Yr2)and some of these DC are almost a whole year older.

Isn't this just very lazy teaching?

'Teacher here!'

At 9.25am, on a Thursday morning, in the middle of a school week.

Pairings, not outings

@petbear so true! Lol

At 9.25am, on a Thursday morning, in the middle of a school week.

Perhaps the teacher in question works in a different time zone? Or at school that is closed due to adverse weather? Or is on day 2 of a 48h post d&v exclusion and feels fine (but can't go into school because they could be contagious?

As an aside, I've lost count of the amount of times I've had a parent demanding that X MUST be moved as she's fallen out with Y, that Y is bullying X and X must be protected from Y by moving immediately.

X is moved.

The next day they're best friends again and parent is back in demanding that X dislikes Z who she's now next to and wants to be moved back to sit with Y.

FML

Dearshirt no I haven't lost sight of that at all.

It just has an impact on my child which should not be ignored. This is not not wanting my child to sit next to disruptive child this is my child's educational needs cannot be met whist this arrangement goes on.

The OP is not talking about disliking the child she is talking about a situation where her DS is driven to anxiety and not wanting to attend school because of the seating arrangement.

I'll give you twenty kids names, a layout of tables in groups of four and a potted history of each child. I'll also include their main friends/enemies/frenemies and the ones who have parents who will be straight in to complain before their child's bum hits the sea

Sack off the tables.

Pairs of desks facing the front.

Disruptive children and those needing a closer eye kept on them right at the front.

Had his exact conversation with DD's teacher on Monday after the girl who bullied her last term was placed next to her last Friday. I didn't waste time letting the teacher know what I thought, and asked for him to explain his reasoning.
Unfortunately for the teacher this girl has at some point bullied every single child in the class (they're Year 4 now).
He said he was going to move the 'naughty' girl around every week so no one child had to put up with her for a long length of time.
So his reasoning was not so that the 'good' girls influence her, but so that they all share the burden of her being in the class and hopefully overall making it less stressful for them.

Ah. I didn't realise it was the 1950s

Most heads wouldn't allow this. Not the teachers fault.

Should add that the 'naughty' girl is always say front row and right in front of the teacher's desk, in his own words ' so he can completely control her behaviour and make sure she isn't misbehaving towards anyone'

Most of us woukd not waste our time worried about moving kids every time friemd groups change.

And my dd is quite awareness won't always be working witg friends and that working witg people you don't get on with is part of life.

But you seem to be trivializing what people are saying.

My dd was actively prevented from seeing the board the kid deliverarky moved very time she did.

Her teacher made her feel she couldn't even say anything as he seemed to be more cross witg her asking for the work than he did with the kid being a twit.

She's had these on and off issues with the sake kid for years.

Sounds pretty shit for her too keeps. Any hope of rehabilitation any time soon?

DD got sat next to a very difficult girl in year 6 who really irritated her by poking at her, "borrowing" her pens, rulers etc., talking all the time and swinging her chair about. She also kept copying DD's work and telling the teacher it was the other way round. DD put paid to that by deliberately getting ALL of her maths wrong one day. When both of them got kept in at break to redo it at different desks dd got them all right. They were split up that afternoon. DD who is quite academic but very easily irritated considered a break time detention a small cost for being able to concentrate in class

As pp's have mentioned, bullying is a separate issue

*I think a lot of people are showing a basic lack of understanding as to why these outings happen.

It's not so that good behaviour "rubs off". It's not a "strategy".

It is simply that everybody has to sit somewhere*

And yet somehow or other the most challenging are frequently 'simply' placed next to the least?
And yet my dd's science teacher told me: 'our policy of sitting the best-behaved child next to the most difficult seems to be working out well, so thanks to DD'?

This used to happen to me all the time as a child. Literally no benefit to me, at all. Why wasn’t I paired with someone brighter, more able, more adept at conversation? Where was my extension work? Oh no, it was a race to the bottom and my work suffered as a result. I ended up teaching the kids I was left with. What’s that about?! Absolutely pathetic ‘teaching’ on the part of the real teachers. Thankfully mine now go private, where there’s a TA and teacher per 15 pupils. They actually have the time to look after all children’s needs.

I am not a teacher but a parent so don't have to come up with classroom management techniques but have seen the hugely detrimental impact these strategies have had on my child.

In reception, she was often put on the table with the noisy children as she was very good at 'looking after them'. She was often praised for 'helping them with their work' and in assemblies / shows etc was often beside one particularly challenging boy. She responded to the expectations that were placed upon her and did as was asked of her. Whenever a circle time asked children to be kinder to each other, to watch out for others, she complied. She became very anxious going in to school and we discussed this with the teacher, saying that the effort required of her to comply with what was being expected of her was draining her and that she was unable to truly be herself.

The situation got worse in year one where the teacher strongly reinforced gender stereotypes which DD fought against internally. The teacher said that I was making things more difficult for her by allowing her to be different.

It has been a long road and required some homeschooling and psychologist interventions to allow her to recognise that in order to be happy, she has to be true to herself before she pleases others. I think her story is extreme but it is a reflection of how these classroom strategies can impact children.

I recently went to a STEM conference on gender in education which highlighted that the practice of putting challenging girls in positions where they are required to exert a calming influence on boys, rewarding girls for obedient and compliant behaviour and preventing them from being creative and investigative. The long term consequences are that they steer away from Science and Technology and towards the less well-paid caring and teaching professions.

Sadly, with 30 children who are all individuals, teachers cannot create the perfect learning environment for every child... but the middle of the road quiet children do get lost in the middle..

Maybe your child isn't as angelic as you think. How do you know it isn't him?

DC had a teacher a few years back who drew names out of a hat every 2 weeks to determine the seating plan. All done in front of the kids on a Monday morning so very fair and when there was an occasional moan after school you could at least reassure them it would all change again in 2 weeks time. That seemed to work well for all the general work then they’d move onto a different table for Maths.

Unfortunately I don't think so dearshirt.
I don't know exactly what, but I'm pretty sure this girl has some behavioural difficulties which affects her behaviour.
The school are fantastic at dealing with any incidents related to her and for the majority of the time they manage her very well, but unfortunately when she decides to bully someone it's really pretty awful for that child. We're talking verbal abuse mostly (as in proper 'I'm going to abuse you until you feel so crap about yourself that you'll go home crying' kind of verbal abuse) though there have been some punches thrown too.
However good the school is though, it doesn't make it any less stressful for any classmate who walks into school knowing they have to spend the day sat next to her.

My DD (8) has been in this position and she absolutely loved it - she wants to be a teacher when she grows up. The teacher only does it for short periods of time though, and monitors that there are no ill-effects.

And it is no coincidence that it is largely girls being forced into this caring role.

Yy crunchy

My dd has just got moved from sitting next to someone. They replaced with surprise surprise another high achieving girl.

where do you want the difficult kids to go? in a cage? outside the classroom? they have to sit somewhere.

Surely if the behaviour was dealt with and correct support given it would greatly reduce the ever increasing lists if who can and can't sit next to Who?