Why are MEN being offered Cervical Cancer Screening...

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What is going on in this country?

If you are registered as a female with your GP you are being offered screenings...even if you don't possess the organ.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/14/women-identify-men-not-offered-routine-nhs-breast-cancer-screening/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/623309/Transgender_cross_programme_screening_leaflet.pdf

condepetie , we're clearly on very different pages ; female privilege vs women as a class -don't know where to start, so I wish you a good night and roll over to try to get some sleep.

That's me, rolling over; you don't have to.

condepetie what on earth do you imagine 'female privilege' to be? That has to be among the most extreme 'drunk the Kool-Aid' statement I've yet seen, and what with all the other bizarre claims around in this wonderful world of transactivism 'I am a real woman' (IW) and 'I can get pregnant' (LM), 'I'm widening the bandwidth of being a woman (that beardy bloke who thinks he makes a great woman) etc there is a hell of a lot of competition.

Condepetie
I meant TRA’s. I’m sleep deprived. Can you answer the question again please.

The twitter link has now been deleted but this is some of the information that was on that tweet before deletion
Lily Madigan Dec 28
‏Womb implants are now possible. It's quite exciting. Expensive currently but yes if I wanted to in the future, reasonably I could get pregnant x
"I think you are unintentionally being transphobic. I can get pregnant. Not right now, which is true of many women. Please don't single me out"
twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/946555952303570944
Lilly M may have had a change of mind since December . I hope that lilly has looked into the science and realized the reality of where it is and that ethically no doctor would put a baby at such risk.

I’ve got female privilege everyone. I’m so much more fortunate that all trans women, especially the sector of transwomen, who are fetishists and get off on imaging themselves having women’s bodies. The fact that these people have male privilege on their side is immaterial, obvs.

Just read the lily madigan quote. What’s the next step? Grow womb tissue, ovaries etc and implant in boys identifying as girls so they can be real women when they grow up? It’s not so far fetched as it would have seemed 10 years ago.

Ok, should we abandon any kind of support/counselling/non-surgical treatment for every person who is unhappy in their body?

NHS Botox, cosmetic surgery, gastric bands, amputations, full body laser hair removal and so on, on demand?

"Cis people do not get to speak for trans people"

Really? Then why should women accept males speaking for women, such as the brat Lily Madigan?

And no, transwomen are not women.

And no amount of repeating it will make it true

.... This is the bit where you call me a bigot, cruel and transwomen are the most oppressed people who ever lived etc etc.

Oh the 'Advanced biology' idiocy too.

Women who 'identity'as men aren't getting invited to appointments. That's pretty outrageous

Only because they have registered themselves as men when they are not. It's their own choice entirely.
This is what those people want: they want to be treated as men or as women, and they have chosen this. So if these "men" get cervical cancer whose fault is that?
Are we to take responsibility for the health screening of those who have chosen not to do so, because it doesn't fit their narrative?

This is only an issue if there are transwomen narcissitic enough to make an appointment.

I think everyone's outrage would be better reserved for the thousands of women who make an appointment and 'forget' to show up.

Yet another non-issue thrown into a thread to excite the mob.

Funny how it's never about a transgender man.

It never is on here is it.

I watched a programme on BBC yesterday about a FTM couple, one of whom was pregnant. Their Midwife made a comment about "Labouring Women" always taking pain relief when offered and they both immediately corrected her, telling her that in this instance it was "Labouring Men". I wondered to myself how the TERF's of mumsnet would respond to that one.

Funny how it's never about a transgender man

It literally is about transgender men. Read the title. It's about transgender men not getting invited to cervical screening.

Labouring men 😂 sorry, not possible. Childbirth is the most female thing you can do. No man can ever become pregnant and give birth. I suppose if a woman who has a delusion that she’s a man wants to be called a labouring man then that’s fair enough. However, she should be prepared for the fact that midwives are probably going to slip up and accidentally call her a woman or Mum, and she should accept this instead of getting pissy about it and complaining. It’s hard to imagine a more ridiculous request than being called a labouring man tbh

Berkin

I assume this is the man, who gave birth as a woman and now as a man.

I would have thought the trans man is being untrue to his “gender”construct by carrying a child. He cannot have it all ways.

The correct response to this comment, however, could have been. “Yes, interesting, labouring Women always take pain relief when offered as you did on your last birth. It looks like as a transman you won’t refuse either.”

United
"to excite the mob"

• Ha ha. Yes we are going to be ripping people's arms out by the sockets.

Epic rhetoric fail

It’s hard to imagine a more ridiculous request than being called a labouring man tbh

Well quite. I have to say, it really got my dander up and I don't normally get exercised about these things. I suddenly felt very old and wanted to shout at the screen "Oh don't be so bloody silly!"

I would have thought the trans man is being untrue to his “gender”construct by carrying a child. He cannot have it all ways.

I know, pick a bloody lane. It just seemed really self-indulgent - wanting it all, having it all and then moaning about it all.

Have you seen the Midwives' Alliance of North America and their references to birthing individuals and pregnant persons?

It's ridiculous.

Are you saying a transgender woman can be treated in the hospital until they're no longer transgender?

Well given that apparently 80% of gender-confused youths just grow out of it without intervention, who says hospital is even required?

But yes, appropriate treatment for various comorbidities would probably be good for them, instead of putting so much time and effort into make-believe.

It's explained in the leaflet that they automatically invite anyone registered as female to have a smear test it also says if you don't have a cervix you don't need to make an appointment if you are a FTM transman and haven't had a full hysterectomy you still need to be screened.

There is absolutely nothing to be outraged about.

Perhaps they could expand their databases to include information on whether a member has a cervix. Or testicles, or whatever relevent parts. Because that is what is important here, not someone's sex or gender. If you don't have the relevant part, neither matter.

But if they are going to go with the blanket invite approach, they should probably record someone's inferred-sex-at-birth rather than just their current gender.

I came across this issue when I used to culture patient vaginal swabs. MtF trans with a constructed vagina were just marked as female, with no indication of being post gender reassignment. I only found that out because the microbial flora was so wrong for the site we thought that swabs had been mixed up.

IMO it's a disaster waiting to happen. A constructed vagina does not have the same secretions, pH or microbial flora as a real vagina, which means that it also has different pathogens. I think there would be a significant chance of missing a serious infection in a trans patient.

The biological sex of the patient is medically important, both in making the correct diagnosis and in ensuring the patient has appropriate screening. I really can't see it does trans patients any favours to pretend their sex has medically changed and treat them as if their underlying biology does not matter. It really does.

The biological sex of the patient is medically important, both in making the correct diagnosis and in ensuring the patient has appropriate screening. I really can't see it does trans patients any favours to pretend their sex has medically changed and treat them as if their underlying biology does not matter. It really does

This^ it's not about TIMs being invited for unecessary screenings it's about TI people recieving incorrect medical care, because that is deemed to be less hurtful than medical staff knowing their sex.

Perhaps they could expand their databases to include information on whether a member has a cervix. Or testicles, or whatever relevent parts. Because that is what is important here, not someone's sex or gender

The persons sex tells you whether they have testicles or a cervix in most cases. People recorded as female get called for cervical screening, people recorded as male don't.
A few people will be listed as male but still have a cervix or listed as female and have a penis, so its up to them to make sure they get the tests they need.