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To wonder why this song is still ok to play on the radio

463 replies

CoedynSbageti · 14/01/2018 12:57

Jealous Guy

Written and performed by a man who admitted he was violent towards women.

Just that really.

OP posts:
JustJayne1959 · 15/01/2018 18:21

Really? I can’t believe you’re actually asking this question, yes, you are being totally unreasonable. Plenty of songs played on the radio are by artists who have done drugs, been unfaithful to their partners, beaten their partner, been in court for one thing or another... what are you going to do? Ask that everything played is by The Osmonds or is wholesome church music? 🙄😂😂😂

Cubtrouble · 15/01/2018 18:24

I don’t agree with banning music because of the past. I’m ok with John Lennon. And versions other weirdos mentioned......

However- Ian Watkins/lost prophets. He should be hanged as far as I’m concerned and I do believe his music should be banned from sale, banned from the radio and frankly the planet. Along with the horror that is fern get off my radio cotton.

beaubeau11 · 15/01/2018 18:31

Why don’t you like fern ? Just curios

beaubeau11 · 15/01/2018 18:31

Curious 🙊

Carriecakes80 · 15/01/2018 18:32

Lol then what would you say about Eminem dumping his ex-wife, Kim Mathers' corpse in the lake with his then-infant daughter Hailie....he has a sick mind that man, but jaysus he does it well!

like others, if you get offended at the artist, turn it off. x

GlomOfNit · 15/01/2018 18:37

Why are we, all of a sudden, so keen that all forms of art only represent unimpeachable subjects or points of view? It's utterly moronic, and will lead, if followed through, to the death of anything one would want to look at, read, watch or listen to.

IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 15/01/2018 18:37

Stopping a song from being publicly played is akin to a ban.

Again, that is not what she's proposing. "OK" is not synonymous with "legal"

RatRolyPoly · 15/01/2018 18:49

The thing with any art form is that it's someone's self-expression. They don't have to be a good person to make good art.

TheGoldenBowl · 15/01/2018 18:49

Some people are being a bit dim.

Objecting to the lyrics of some songs is not even remotely like censoring which bits of history we teach.

Again, no one mentioned banning. I think many posters, like me, are thinking it'd be quite nice to get to a point where we really don't want to listen to lyrics that celebrate the objectification of women. Imagine that!

Take your "chill out" attitude to its natural conclusion then: everything is fine, is it? It's just art - so, you know, those songs full of racist slurs? They're ok? Some creepy wannabe rapist writes a song celebrating drugging women and overpowering them. That fine too, is it?

No. We have to use judgement. Which involves thinking. Sorry if that's too snowflakey for you.

VictoriaOKeefe · 15/01/2018 18:54

the mothers of the victims of Myra Hindley paid the price for telling their children that strange women wouldn't hurt them and that they could trust them just because they were women.

Being from a marginalised group doesn't mean they can't be just as harmful and oppressive as any other human.

Justanotherlurker · 15/01/2018 18:54

Again, that is not what she's proposing. "OK" is not synonymous with "legal"

So what is the OP and everyone who says she isn't asking for a ban proposing then, there has been plenty of discussion that has pointed out its a slippery slope fallacy, where do you draw the line?

cantucciniamaretto · 15/01/2018 18:57

Again, that is not what she's proposing. "OK" is not synonymous with "legal"

A playlist ban has nothing to do with laws. What does "this shouldn't be on the radio" mean if it doesn't mean "it should not be played on the radio, ie it should be banned from play"?

Winniethepee · 15/01/2018 18:57

'I'd rather see you dead little girl,than to be with another man'
'Baby let's play house'.Popularised by Elvis Presley.Written by blues man Arthiur Gunter.
Interesting point raised by the poster.
Removing all cultural expression from my life of people who'd transgressed my current political awareness.....would be .....erm...boring.

cantucciniamaretto · 15/01/2018 18:59

No. We have to use judgement. Which involves thinking. Sorry if that's too snowflakey for you

Why do you think you're the only ones who have done so? It's that smug "you can't have thought about it like I have or you would think like me" nonsense that pisses people off. As if you are the only one who has thought critically.
We've thought, and we think you are silly snowflakes who needs to understand how culture actually works.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 15/01/2018 19:00

I'm a bad babysitter got my boyfriend in the shower. Woo, I'm making six bucks an hour

Encourages teenage sex, child neglect and paying below the minimum wage. Ban this filth from the airwaves.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 15/01/2018 19:03

No. We have to use judgement. Which involves thinking. Sorry if that's too snowflakey for you

Yeah, because nobody with 'judgement' could possibly think different from you. Which is why you're so sure Shakespeare was a card carrying Antifa.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 15/01/2018 19:13

Again, no one mentioned banning. I think many posters, like me, are thinking it'd be quite nice to get to a point where we really don't want to listen to lyrics that celebrate the objectification of women. Imagine that!

Ooh, getting to the point where everybody thinks the same as you. I bet nobody has ever said that before.

'Wouldn't it be wonderful if everybody got to the point of accepting communism/facism. Let's send them to a Gulag/concentration camp to help them! We're only being kind and showing the error of their ways'.

Because God forbid somebody might like to listen to a song which depicts something they disapprove of.

I listen to Jealous Guy and I think he is a pathetic man making a stupid excuse. He doesn't even claim to love her particularly or link it to her being beautiful or somebody other men would covet. He just says he is 'jealous'. She could be a pen or a rubber or a record.

Unlike you, I don't think I am particularly unique or special. Or that other people don't reach the same conclusions I do.

You keep banging on about wanting a conversation and wanting eyebrows to be raised. Well, we're having the conversation, we're raising our eyebrows. But you seem to be crashing on through ignoring the conversation other people are having, and that they can be critical too, insisting that it's not happening despite the fact it's on the web page in front of you.

Bloody fucking hell.

PuppyMonkey · 15/01/2018 19:17

Going back a few posts but I've always thought that "she's not there" song means she's not quite all there, perhaps a bit crazy iyswim.

So no one told me about her she's got nice hair, a nice laugh, her voice is soft and strong but she's NOT ALL THERE.

Probably wrong. Grin

Lillithxxx · 15/01/2018 19:17

Brown sugar - The Rollng Stones, about the rape of a black woman?

Alibobbob · 15/01/2018 19:18

I honestly never realised this was about DV I thought it was about a guy who had said something and his girl friend/partner/wife/significant other/whatever fits got upset and cried.

Tinycitrus · 15/01/2018 19:21

Well yes - DP loves that song and that is what he thought it was about too.
And it can easily be read as that too. So what’s the sense in no longer playing it?

Alibobbob · 15/01/2018 19:21

That song by fun does have a line about DV I am surprised they got away with it... ooh a mention of drugs too...

Give me a second, I
I need to get my story straight
My friends are in the bathroom
Getting higher than the Empire State
My lover she is waiting for me
Just across the bar,
My seat's been taken by some sunglasses
Asking 'bout a scar
I know I gave it to you months ago
I know you're trying to forget
But between the drinks and subtle things
And the holes in my apologies
You know I'm trying hard to take it back
So if by the time the bar closes

ILoveDolly · 15/01/2018 19:23

If you listen to any radio station you will hear songs by molesters, adulterers, drug addicts, alcoholics, suicides, committers of child marriage, alleged murderers, drunk drivers, abusers, etc etc
Many many famous musicians have either a shady private life or died in, ahem, circumstances. That's part of what makes it all so interesting. They are all terrible egomaniacs which is how they get to the top in the first place. Nice kind modest family men/women don't make it ........ usually.

cantucciniamaretto · 15/01/2018 19:24

I honestly never realised this was about DV I thought it was about a guy who had said something and his girl friend/partner/wife/significant other/whatever fits got upset and cried

There is nothing in the lyrics that specifically means physical violence at all. Yoko Ono said it was about spiritual jealousy and his own feelings of inadequacy.

cantucciniamaretto · 15/01/2018 19:24

I honestly never realised this was about DV I thought it was about a guy who had said something and his girl friend/partner/wife/significant other/whatever fits got upset and cried

There is nothing in the lyrics that specifically means physical violence at all. Yoko Ono said it was about spiritual jealousy and his own feelings of inadequacy.

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