To be absolutely raging that women's rights and well-being count for absolutely nothing?

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A woman with mental health issues whose psychosis meant she was terrified that men wanted to kill her was placed on a "women only" secure psychiatric ward with someone who was obviously a biological male.

The NHS Trust seems to have labelled her a bigot and has confirmed that they will continue to let anyone self-identify as whatever gender they want and be housed on the sex-segregated ward of their choice, regardless of the needs of or risks to vulnerable women.

The woman in question has since had a relapse of her condition but hasn't felt able to access medical treatment because of this.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/terrified-patient-treated-like-transphobic-bigot-bsfsgrv2p

Men's health is led by science and rational.
Women's health is led by ideology and guilt, with science trailing behind.

Why is health for both sexes treated in such different ways?

And why does each sex (not gender) have such different expectations?

Emotional blackmail is rife when it comes to women's health. Completely unethical, yet still there.

Because women are irrational, hysterical, bear poor witness, and are less important. Is a guess!

Plus in some countries old ideas about women's lot including pain and suffering (bible has a lot to answer for) and that we have to be stoic and keep at it a. because no-one really cares and b. because we so often have caring responsibilities.

Look at the vaginal mesh scandal for evidence around all of this.

Also endometriosis, birth injuries, there are loads. Threads on MN full of info.

Hormonal contraception is another big one.

Advertising campaigns for screening.

I have a personal example of men being treat better than women. I am sure this cannot only have been me/DH. I had horrific pain in my ribs and the doctors dismissed me no less than 4 times saying just taken some paracetamol. Eventually I ended up in A&E where they gave me morphine and sent me home with bottled morphine. After thism my GP prescribed me painkillers and 8 months later decided that seeing the pain clinic may be necessary so they referred me.

During all of this, my husband did something to his back. Still never found out what it was but I assume pulled muscle or something. He went to the doctors where they prescribed him painkillers immediately, and referred him to a physio!

No way is this only my experience. Men and their pain is taken a lot more seriously.

I think the idea is that men are stoic and uncomplaining so when they do speak up it must be very serious and proper action must be taken

Meanwhile women are supposed to be weak and unreliable, our bodies are always malfunctioning, and we are quick to complain. So it's probably not really serious.

This is held out in the amount of women who get turned away as having minor mental health issues when they are having heart attacks, tumours etc etc

My own story around this is being turned away from A&E when I had a broken bone in my hand. The man pulled it and yanked it (and it fucking hurt) and told me to go away as having xrays was expensive and just because I thought it was cool to have one didn't mean I was going to get one.

Still in pain 2 weeks later, went to GP, got xray, broken bone.

I suspect that my age as well as my sex went against me there.

What was annoying was that he pulled my hand as hard as he could looking at my face for distress. It really fucking hurt and I said ow and was flinching. This obviously wasn't enough to convince him that I was in pain...?

Oh and I had been in childrens hosp a lot as a kid, have had I'd guess well over 100 xrays by that point, his guess that I just wanted one to be cool was just WTF. Of course as a 16yo girl I didn't have the confidence to tell him that.

I've long been amazed that whatever it is that Granny is arguing against or for she always has a personal anecdote that backs up what she says or contradicts the opposite POV. Sometimes this is something she has experienced and sometimes it is something that a relative has experienced, and she seems to have relatives (sons) in a range of relevant professions. And of course, because it is her personal experience it is true to the core and true for everybody.

Has it occurred to you that some people only comment on things they have personal experience of, rather than talking through their backside?

Obviously if something has happened to me it doesn't mean it has happened for everyone, just like because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen to everyone.