To be absolutely raging that women's rights and well-being count for absolutely nothing?

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A woman with mental health issues whose psychosis meant she was terrified that men wanted to kill her was placed on a "women only" secure psychiatric ward with someone who was obviously a biological male.

The NHS Trust seems to have labelled her a bigot and has confirmed that they will continue to let anyone self-identify as whatever gender they want and be housed on the sex-segregated ward of their choice, regardless of the needs of or risks to vulnerable women.

The woman in question has since had a relapse of her condition but hasn't felt able to access medical treatment because of this.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/terrified-patient-treated-like-transphobic-bigot-bsfsgrv2p

From the article:

She said other women on the ward were also at risk, one being a victim of male violence and another woman experiencing hypersexuality as a symptom of bipolar mania.

I mean, this was three women put into intolerable/dangerous situations. What would the NHS do if the victim of male violence had been triggered to the extent of self harm? Cover it up? Lie about her? What if the hypersexual woman had got pregnant while under NHS care?

Sex-based services and protections don't exist to be meanies to transwomen. They exist because they are necessary to safeguard women.

You are being ridiculous and hysterical op.

If this woman's rights were uphold then some men might Be Sad and we simply cannot have Sad Men. What next op, the right to compete with your own sex at sport?

Next you will be telling me that women are adult human females and they don't have willies.

The GoFundMe page is filling up with people who are donating anonymously. This probably means they are afraid to show their names because the risk of being identified as trans-critical is becoming dangerous. I hope the Labour Party takes note of this in its consideration of what a mistake it is making in anticipating the GRA and all its flaws.

NB The fund which was originally for £5000 now has attracted £8855 in one day, from 500 people. This is the silenced feminists shouting back.

This is the page, if you've not read the whole thread:
www.gofundme.com/fighting-for-female-representatives

Parish I love that "this is the silenced feminists shouting back" makes me feel good.

Pink News has unsurprisingly covered this story.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/01/14/the-sunday-times-hateful-story-depicts-transgender-woman-as-male-bodied-monster/amp/

Thought it was interesting that Molloy was a MNer in the past, if she still is I hope she sees the support she has here.

I also think it's important to remember that the transwoman was a fellow patient and does not appear to have displayed any aggression towards the women on the ward. I don't think the transwoman deserves to be blamed/demonized here.
The HCP seem to have handled the matter badly with regard to all the patients concerned, though.

Slightly off topic, but Pink News really does have an appallingly immature writing style, doesn't it? You can hardly call it journalism - it reads like something I'd throw together in secondary school in half an hour for a class project. Embarrassing.

I don't think the transwoman deserves to be blamed/demonized here.

YY. I'm fairly sure that on the NHS you don't get to pick and choose what ward you are in

What is concerning is that the NHS are choosing to ignore the sex based exceptions in the equality act.

^I don't know how you'd handle a situation where a person in a secure psychiatric unit was in a psychotic state of terror and paranoid delusions involving black people.
But I'm pretty sure the medical staff wouldn't use the tactic of insisting to that person that a fellow black patient on the ward was in fact white.^

This. exactly this. Hit the nail on the head.

This story has had the effect of making my DM, in her 70s, apoplectic with rage. So that's good. She can't fathom why a women suffering serious mental health issues was made to feel like a bigot as well.

I can't understand it either, but have come to expect it.

But I'm pretty sure the medical staff wouldn't use the tactic of insisting to that person that a fellow black patient on the ward was in fact white. But they wouldn't necessarily move them either, locally the mental health service is in dire straits (probably the same everywhere) when an old school friend of one of my children was admitted to a psych ward it was 200 miles away. They just couldn't find a local bed so the idea that they would be able to magic up a bed where you were guaranteed to be happy with your neighbour just isn't going to happen.

There's an epidemic of sexual abuse in hospitals, particularly psychiatric care. And I'm 100% sure that is not black female-bodied people attacking white female-bodied people. It will be people with penises attacking people with vaginas. So there is the perceived risk and the actual risk.

"irrationally convinced that men were conspiring to kill her."
Read this & thought-
Just because you're paranoid doesnt mean they're not out to get you

(To be clear I mean men/patriarchy as a whole NOT the other patient)

Part of me wonders if we should be glad of this kind of story hopefully bringing peak trans closer for lots of people. I think that woman is very brave to have told her story

How have we managed to get in this situation? I understand the argument that it's more of the same, men putting their own rights ahead of women, but IMO the kind of men that do that (deliberately at least) aren't at all sympathetic to the rights of trans people either?

So how have we ended up in a situation where the rights of a very small minority trump those of women? Is it indeed PC gone mad or is it deeper than that?

That pinknews link is, as usual, ridiculous. Especially this.

And of course, whether a patient is a “natal woman” – also known as a cis woman – or a trans woman, they are still female.

Transwomen are now female. Wow.

Is it this the same area that had a Tory ex children minister step in over concerns about children and the trans lobby in schools?

So there is the perceived risk and the actual risk. There are many risks on a psych ward, one of my kids is a mental health nurse and the way nurses are assaulted is horrific, not to mention HIV positive patients spitting in their faces and cutting themselves so they can use blood.

There are many risks on a psych ward, one of my kids is a mental health nurse

And I've worked in homelessness, addiction and related fields for three decades. There is a massive difference between a worker; paid to be there, able to leave and well, and a patient; vulnerable, often not able to leave, ill.

Is Pink News run by Putin? Seems like the same campaign of disinformation that got Trump elected.

I'm so sad for Philippa. She has been treated appallingly.

Male bodied persons (otherwise known as men) have no place in women's sex segregated spaces, regardless of the state of mind of the other service users.

" I don't think you are right. I know someone who was on a psych ward, they were frightened of black people (part of the psychosis) but their named nurse was black and there were black people in the bay. "

The obvious difference is that a fear of black nurses is irrational, whereas a fear of male psychiatric patients is perfectly justified.

@pisacake you cannot state with certainty that the fear of a black nurse was irrational; the patient may have been abused or assaulted by a black person. Most fears have a root cause somewhere, and it's not fair to judge just because you don't see the full picture.

I'm not saying it doesn't seem entirely to them, I'm saying that it's not rational. Which it isn't. It doesn't have to be rational to seem scary.

What IS rational is that male psych patients pose a much greater risk to women than female psych patients do.

What IS rational is that male psych patients pose a much greater risk to women than female psych patients do

Exactly. And that Philippa was prevented from voicing her concern by being gaslit into accepting that a man was in fact a woman.