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... to feel disgusted at fox-chasing toff-twits!

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counterpoint · 13/01/2018 21:44

On my way to a local town for lunch today, we had to slow down and stop as a horse came galloping up towards us in the middle of the road. On his back sat a dandified twit who was looking for his hounds. In the nearby field some 100 (I kid you not) other starched twits sat on brainwashed horses with hungry hounds running amok. Traffic swayed and stopped as these twits had clearly lost the little sense they had and were dispersing all over the highway, horses looking dazed at being led among cars at great speed on slippery tarmac. Hounds confusedly sniffing all over the road and verges. How much had these twit-toffs drunk? It was not yet noon!

My friends in our car tried to calm me down saying it must be a drag when all of a sudden a poor defenseless fox jumped on the dry-stone wall looking wild-eyed as it tried to determine whether he was safer making a run for it across a busy road or turn back into a field of crazed, uncontrolled hounds and drunken (British?) twits. The fox froze and the driver of my car sped on as I screamed with panic for the predictable fate of the fox.

Why the f*ck is a supposedly civilized country allowing this kind of savagery to continue?

OP posts:
DullAndOld · 15/01/2018 09:49

yes but Rebecca calling someone and their children 'inbreds' is not making a "serious point" is it?

BertrandRussell · 15/01/2018 09:52

“I live in a village, yes we have foxes. So we fix proof our chicken area with fix proof fencing. It’s very easily done. Have had chickens for 20 years and never lost one to a Fox. Same with rabbits”

Sheep? Large flocks of free range chickens?

Hazza000 · 15/01/2018 09:52

Why is inverted snobbery acceptable? I think you're the twit here.

Middleoftheroad · 15/01/2018 09:55

No answers then, just more jesting to deflect from the fact that there is no justification. It's just about ego.

BertrandRussell · 15/01/2018 09:58

“No answers then, just more jesting to deflect from the fact that there is no justification. It's just about ego.”

Absolutely. That’s why it’s a mistake to lay in with the insults. It facilitates the deflection.

Blemnblep · 15/01/2018 09:58

Please don't donate to the sabs. They are truly horrible people with very little concern for animal welfare. They are class warriors pure and simple. We've had experience with them while out riding our ponies, not hunting at all. I don't even like hunting particularly. They had a laser pen which they shone at us and tried to get into the ponies eyes. They giggled the whole time. My dd was so frightened and worried about the horses. If they had known anything about anything they would have realised we weren't part of the hunt. Psychopaths.

Middleoftheroad · 15/01/2018 09:59

At least have the courage to admit it's an ego boost.

Does anybody who hides behind the facade of the pomp and the pathetic excuses for particpating have courage?

There's nothing courageous about this vile sport or those who enjoy it.

Tofftwitty · 15/01/2018 09:59

I am not about to engage in debate with people who call those who hold an opposing view inbred, toffs, twats, cunts, evil, deranged, sick yadda yadda.

I have zero interest.

mustbemad17 · 15/01/2018 10:01

Bertrand there was a poster further up that said her sheep farmer friend had never had issues with foxes. That's not to say every farmer is the same, but using the argument that foxes might worry sheep as a reason to hunt is a slippery one. Loose dogs have the same potential...we don't hunt them!
I have no issue with farmers shooting a dog/fox if they are worrying the sheep on their land btw

Blemnblep · 15/01/2018 10:01

There's absolutely nothing brave about the sabs. Nothing wrong with hating hunting, but the idea that a masked bunch of violent chuckleheads are in any way courageous is very wrong.

Rebeccaslicker · 15/01/2018 10:01

interest argument.

Fixed that for you!

BertrandRussell · 15/01/2018 10:02

“am not about to engage in debate with people who call those who hold an opposing view inbred, toffs, twats, cunts, evil, deranged, sick yadda yadda.”

You could always engage in debate with those of us who don’t and we’ll pass your message on?

Rebeccaslicker · 15/01/2018 10:03

I disagree there, Bertrand. I think they just make themselves look even more daft, because it's so painfully obvious which bits they pick up on, because they have zero chance of answering the rest.

But I'll certainly drop it and hereby retract every use of the word "inbred" to see if you're right and we now get a flood of eloquent arguments to justify it.

DullAndOld · 15/01/2018 10:03

sorry but the anti's lost their argument when Rebecca started on with her 'thick inbreds' thing.

actually the anti's lost their argument with this stupid thread title.

rocketgirl22 · 15/01/2018 10:04

Hunting has some roots in class, if we look back over the centuries, but generally country folk of all classes are involved now.

Deflection and lame excuses will not change the view that most decent honourable human beings would see hunting as an act of pure savagery.

No amount of 'education' in the world will change the fact that this is an act of despicable cruelty. Particularly when it involves the fox cubs.

I hope the law increases the penalties and all (drag) hunts or otherwise should be policed, and those charged should a fox be killed.

Blemnblep · 15/01/2018 10:05

People that go hunting aren't inbred.
Did you mean literally? Or just as an insult?

Blemnblep · 15/01/2018 10:06

I think policing hunts would be a good idea for both sides, but a massive waste of police resources.

BertrandRussell · 15/01/2018 10:08

“But I'll certainly drop it and hereby retract every use of the word "inbred" to see if you're right and we now get a flood of eloquent arguments to justify it.”

We won’t. There aren’t any. But at least they won’t be able to dance round on what they consider to be the moral high ground.

Rebeccaslicker · 15/01/2018 10:08

See - dull is a beautiful illustration of it.

If she actually had an argument, she would have made it. By saying "wah wah mean names, so I'm going to post here and whinge about the names but not put anything substantive", it just highlights the fact that there can be no good arguments.

Otherwise you'd want to throw them right in the fact of the nasty mean posters, surely?!

rocketgirl22 · 15/01/2018 10:09

There's absolutely nothing brave about the sabs. Nothing wrong with hating hunting, but the idea that a masked bunch of violent chuckleheads are in any way courageous is very wrong

The sabs wouldn't need to be there if the police were doing their job properly.

I am all for the sabs, if it were not for them there would be no record of these hideous crimes. The chuckleheads I think you will find are the ridiculously dressed hunters sagging on their poor ponies with another visit to A&E looming. Sad.

Tofftwitty · 15/01/2018 10:11

Ok.

I'm a farmer. Not a farmer's wife - a farmer. I adore my animals and I spend vast amounts of time and money on their welfare. I don't do dairy or beef just to add.

But I am not sentimental about them, My dogs are working dog s- ratters etc. My horses I ride . I kill rats to protect my barns and animals. I shoot them or poison them ( less often ) as I have good ratting dogs.

Most days there is something dead on my fields killed by buzzards or foxes. It doesn't affect me in any way - nature is what it is. It is red in tooth and claw.

Fox populations need keeping in check. Its hard, very hard, to accurately shoot a fox to kill. they are INCREDIBLY fast. they regularly out run my Jack Russell.

My friends and family are farmers, horse owners. We lamp, shoot, hunt, fish.

It IS how it is. I don't expect anyone to agree or to understand. We work entirely within the law.

I accept you don't like it and that is absolutely your prerogative. I don't like factory farming so I buy my meat from farming friends. But I accept others choose to buy meat that's had a bad life.

C'est la vie.

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mustbemad17 · 15/01/2018 10:12

We've already established that there are sabs out there that are knuckleheads. They are no better than those who gleefully goad their hounds on to rip a fox apart.
But without some groups of sabs there would probably still be this 'we only hunt legally' charade without the evidence that shows it is bull.

The actions of some sabs doesn't justify hunts imo. And from this thread it is pretty clear that 'legal' hunting is a minority

Blemnblep · 15/01/2018 10:14

Our local hunt is busiest on Saturday because that's when people from London do it. So it's not limited to a few inbred carrot munchers I'm afraid.

DSHathawayGivesMeFannyGallops · 15/01/2018 10:14

You don't have to like hunting but don't support sabs! I refuse to buy from Lush because of this. Sabs don't give two hoots about animal welfare or they wouldn't go around frightening dogs and horses.

The hunts I know are also peopled by a real mix of people. Because the term "Toff Twit" isn't at all prejudicial... Hmm