... to feel disgusted at fox-chasing toff-twits!

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On my way to a local town for lunch today, we had to slow down and stop as a horse came galloping up towards us in the middle of the road. On his back sat a dandified twit who was looking for his hounds. In the nearby field some 100 (I kid you not) other starched twits sat on brainwashed horses with hungry hounds running amok. Traffic swayed and stopped as these twits had clearly lost the little sense they had and were dispersing all over the highway, horses looking dazed at being led among cars at great speed on slippery tarmac. Hounds confusedly sniffing all over the road and verges. How much had these twit-toffs drunk? It was not yet noon!

My friends in our car tried to calm me down saying it must be a drag when all of a sudden a poor defenseless fox jumped on the dry-stone wall looking wild-eyed as it tried to determine whether he was safer making a run for it across a busy road or turn back into a field of crazed, uncontrolled hounds and drunken (British?) twits. The fox froze and the driver of my car sped on as I screamed with panic for the predictable fate of the fox.

Why the f*ck is a supposedly civilized country allowing this kind of savagery to continue?

Don’t ever believe that hounds tearing foxes limb from limb has stopped. It has not.

This! Whichever way the government votes makes no difference at all, hunts will continue regardless. Yet if I prance about a field with my spaniel worrying livestock the dog can (and will) be shot. Odd, isn't it?

If it's a sport why isn't it on the Olympics? I'll tell you why, because it's not sport, it's bollocks.

Of course there’s an argument for fox hunting. But people who have already made their minds up that it’s nothing but a cruel blood sport for psychopathic upper class types are never prepared to listen. It’s utterly pointless and like talking to a brick wall.

And after some of the horrific behaviours I’ve witnessed from people who are nothing more than hired thugs (things that have included trying to maim horses and hounds - real animal lovers..) I’ve realised it’s pointless because their real agenda has nothing to do with animal welfare. Absolutely nothing.

I wonder if the people on this thread who donate to sabs really know what kind of people they’re donating to. I doubt it.

Then those hunts should be monitored safely, appropriately and reported.

Incidentally, it is NOT illegal for a hunt to kill a fox, it is only illegal for a pack of hounds to do so. Gun or a bird of prey to a fox render it within the bounds of the law.

Fact is- must hunts do what the fuck they like

Sport is fair. There is nothing fair about charging down a fox on horseback with a group of dogs hounds.

Whooooo you're absolutely correct there about your spaniel!

" If it's a sport why isn't it on the Olympics? I'll tell you why, because it's not sport, it's bollocks. "

Is dodgeball a sport?
Rugby?
Golf?

All sports not included in the Olympics at one time or another.

So rather than making excuses Happy tell us the argument for hunting? Let me guess...population control? Seems to be the widest one.

Illegal hunts are reported. As are their out of control hounds when they encroach on other people's land. Very little is done. Not at all hard to understand why people get arsey really

" Fact is- must hunts do what the fuck they like"

Fueled - may I ask which hunts you've sabbed/followed to get these facts?

Dodgeball, rugby & golf all have an element of fairness to them. If somebody tied you to a post & started launching balls at you in the name of sport you'd be pretty pissed

" I wonder if the people on this thread who donate to sabs really know what kind of people they’re donating to. I doubt it."

no of course they don't.

I expect their money goes to buy eg speed for unemployed 'anarchists' to take before they go attacking horses and 'toffs'.

or they might be students having a bit of fun before they go off to work for Glaxo or ICI.

If most people hate hunts and hunters and we are all evil psychos mustbemad, why is nothing done? Surely the rest of the population including all law enforcement agencies would love to bang us all to rights?

I'll tell you why, because the Hunting Act is worded in such a way that make sit almost impossible to prosecute.

So well done Tony. You devised an act to prosecute hunters that actually makes it almost impossible to actually prosecute hunters,

How would the hunters feel about being hunted down by a pack of animals. These people have a total lack of empathy, in that they can't put themselves in the shoes of the poor scared fox. Not a nice trait. In fact an absolutely horrible trait.

Do any of the pro hunt members on here have any comment about what should be done after the incident at CHAT? I mean, all hunt masters are skilled at controlling their hounds, nobody is in it for the actual kill...a sanctuary of vulnerable cats were terrorised for an hour by an out of control hunt pack. Thoughts?

Touch my kid on his pony out hunting though and I'll mow you down without so much as a blink.

I would think really touch a kid on his pony obviously. But if saw a "kid" hurting an animal, using another animal, while sitting on an animal, I would not consider them to be a "kid" anymore. I would consider them as animal as the hound dogs or more. And I would quite like to see that "kid" and their failed parent brought to court for this.
By the way, if I was driving at the national speed limit on a motor way, I would NEVER put the safety of your "kid" above any other road user, including the hunted fox. HTH

I suppose they'd feel exactly the same as the battery chicken, the pig in a pig crate and a cow in an abbatoir, bestthings.

Do you have empathy for them when you're tucking into your Sunday roast?

And no, no one NEEDS meat or animal products to survive.

So tell your "kid" to stay the fuck out of motorways and dual carriageways because they are for decent, normal, human beings.

Is dodgeball a sport? The Wold Dodgeball Association would probably think so.

Rugby? Again, the RFU would likely say so.

Golf? The IGF are going to say yes.

All sports not included in the Olympics at one time or another. Yes. And sports which, interestingly, don't result in the agonising death of an animal. Which, in my opinion, precludes it from being considered a sport. I'm not asking anyone to change their opinion, simply stating my own. Which is that anyone needing to take part in sport which results in any sort of death needs to try yoga and chill their boots a little.

tofftwitty. Don’t think these were shot. All from Boxing Day.

The foxes being rescued in various videos alive from the middle of a pack of hounds also weren't shot...

How would the hunters feel about being hunted down by a pack of animals. These people have a total lack of empathy, in that they can't put themselves in the shoes of the poor scared fox. Not a nice trait. In fact an absolutely horrible trait.

Perfectly timed post to prove my point about sentimentality. Foxes are not humans. They don’t behave, act or think like humans. So stop imagining yourself being chased by a pack of hounds and attributing the emotions you imagine you’d have, to the fox.

And we’ve already covered the “but you’re not vegetarian argument earlier today”

" So tell your "kid" to stay the fuck out of motorways and dual carriageways because they are for decent, normal, human beings."

WTAF are you on lol?

Tofft
You have a problem with humans eating meat and have a problem with foxes eating their meat so go on and kill them like that.
Do you know what you are just few logical steps away from?

An animal still feels fear. Exhaustion. The sense of being trapped. Being hunted down by a pack of baying hounds will still release those feelings in a fox

Animals have just as much ability to feel fear. I know my dog feels fear in certain situations, she’s scared enough of one big dog....I know how she would feel being chased by a pack. She got chased by a lab once and was screaming her head off. Is a dog close enough to a fox for you to allow that what a dog thinks/feels a fox will as well?