Insta Mum 3

[Babaloo88]

Why is the other thread closed?!? I was enjoying reading through it?!!

@sofialemon if I asked my child if they wanted a room full of sweets in return for a picture on Instagram they'd agree, if I asked my child if they wanted a holiday to Disney in exchange for a few photos they'd agree, of course they would, that's the whole point, children aren't capable of making those decisions at young ages that's why parents make decisions.
I'm not saying those choices are wrong, I'm questioning them not being regulated and the child having no rights.
If a child has parents saying right we are going to Disney in exchange for 5 stories and 8 squares on the grid, that's their choice, it should not be a child's. But if the agreement is the photos and stories (ads) must have the children featured, then they are working and should be treated as such, despite whoever is behind the camera.
If you look at FOD's account you will see children modelling clothes, for newspaper articles, m&s, Boden to name but a few. So they have worked as child models.

I don't think some of you are ever going to agree on this point!

I think its really great that some of the bloggers seem to be rediscovering their USP a bit, have noticed a shift in quite a few accounts which I think is good and making me more interested in following them back again. The ones without a real USP other than flogging a wide selection of whatever they get sponsored for are going to start looking quite vacuous (or even more vacuous in some cases). I also think the Saintly Pukka (love that description) is doing some amazing work for women (and men) everywhere and deserves a lot of credit for her hard work.

I’m most interested in the direction this will all take and I like that privacy and consent matters - to children. Regardless of who benefits from the £

Hopefully we’ll look back and think how ridiculous that a whole family spent time lined up sitting on chairs in the same outfit for likes and followers

• Instagram just suggested that in a search

*@wishwish

So the pros are....

The money earned benefits the whole family

So really it just comes down to money again, the child becomes the bread winner.

The only other argument on here is is "Other people do it". Not really a constructed response is it? Any other pros?

How is the child the bread winner?! That's ridiculous, it's the parent with the insta account spending time getting the content right and dealing with the business's and messages. All the child is doing is living their normal lives (often with a few extra holidays and day's out thrown in) and having dome photo's taken.

My 11 year old would love it if I could take her to a film premier or had VIP tickets to a concert. These are things kids of some instamums have had. What is the problem with that?*
Here we are. Fundamentally you admire and possibly crave this lifestyle and the majority of us are pulling back and concerned about our children. You've stated numerous times you've no issue with use of children.
But in the case of FOD, if they rely on that income, even for now, then the twins are the breadwinners.

@Mumofkids

I'll take your word for it, it's clearly a woman you stalk in all media forms.

You are just a bit pathetic really with your digs. Yeah I stalk her

I've watched MIC for years, I loved Born in Chelsea, I find her bf JP funny and I think India's the giggliest baby I've seen so yes I do enjoy following her insta account. Same as I enjoy following many other reality celebs and the instamums you seem to have such a dislike for. Hence I feel I can give a more informed opinion and balanced view on the insta accounts of bloggers who I've followed for years, many of you on here have openly said you don't or didn't follow many of the people you discuss on here.

I just don't understand following people you dislike or have no interest in purely to check what they're doing so that you can criticise them on here. It's just a bit sad really.

@marshabradyo I struggle with entire families in matching pyjamas

All the child is doing is living their normal lives

Having a camera in your face 24/7 isn't NORMAL. I'm not sure if you actually understand that.

Also if a child is in EVERY square I would say that there is a strong argument for being the "bread winner". If you take the child out of the equation, what do you have left?

@sofialemon it was YOUR dig 🤦🏻‍♀️ You crack me up.

I struggle with the grown women in matching outfits - the various sister and twin accounts. Just bizarre!

As I said I unfollowed loads. I don't understand why your here to argue about things Just for the sake of it.
You seem desperate for us all to follow reality stars so that they can be included, but then you'd just be saying they were doing nothing wrong.
Me making your own digs back at you, upsets you and you think it's pathetic.
I actually haven't mentioned any accounts bar FOD which was bought up and discussed with and by others. I'm not obsessed with anyone and I don't watch reality shows.

mum I noticed that..... lol

You are just a bit pathetic really with your digs.

Actual lol 😁

Sofia I'm starting to wonder whether you're actually a bot or several different people because you can never remember what you've previously said.

And all this whataboutery is getting quite tedious. I've no idea who Binky is, but she shouldn't be using her kid as a marketing tool either.

Ah don't knock her for it @FlyingBird. She comes across so well with the midwifery stuff and if she listens to feedback, well that's a good thing surely?

I hardly think you can compare a trip to Disney, on a family holiday (snip) with say a 7 hour drive from up north to London for an all day photo shoot for a catalogue that the child has no interest in.

Except children are unlikely to be doing a whole day shoot, firstly because not many children can maintain their concentration for that long, and secondly because they can't work for more than four hours without a one hour break.

Child models require a Child Performance Licence from their local council as a safe guarding measure so children are well protected. Absences from school, chaperones, travel and accommodation are all regulated.

I think actually before it all got heated that it was a great discussion. I think that it needs to be addressed more by all the media platforms not just by us on here 😂 I do think people get sucked into the reality tv shows and instagram accounts that showcase a families every move simply out of pure nosey ness like I said before. I think if you have an account that is out in the public domain you should absolutely think long and hard about what you expose your child/children to. There are age restrictions but it doesn’t stop parents putting their children out there. I just think you should be careful at the end of the day it’s their life not yours. A child is a gift not a possession and they have rights and should have rights independent of their parents.

@Wren42

Well I don't actually think that all posts including kids do make the parent money. But even if they do, no, I have no problem with it. Unless the child is being neglected, abused or actually put at risk I don't see a problem at all.

The monetised insta accounts that do feature kids are generally improving the families lifestyle. The parents, or at least one of them, may have been able to give up work snd so get to spend more time with their children. The children get to enjoy trips they might not have otherwise and for the really highly paid instamums it has enabled them to buy bigger or nicer houses.

That’s the whole point though isn’t it they are there to sell a product at the end of the day. It’s a job. Of course she is going back to her midwife roots because of her book. She needs to sell her product however I think that’s fair enough. I can see that and am not sucked in by it. As long as she is giving out her valued experience etc and people benefit then great. It’s the children for me that Im so very uncomfortable with.

@RunMummyRun68

sofia child models are well looked after. So where's the issue then?

What, and children of insta parents aren't looked after. I actually think it's debatable that all child models are well looked after having seem some documentaries snd articles about the industry.

@FlyingBird I eye rolled when I saw MOD was rehashing old posts from her almost redundant blog. I know she always whacks up a midwife post if there is pushback to her advertising, but I'd forgotten she needs midwifery content to sell her book.

Good catch!

@sofialemon so as long as they get holidays a bigger house then that’s ok. Their child’s privacy doesn’t matter? Also how do you know how it will affect a child? You can only guess. You have no idea on mental health risks later on.

I'm wondering whether you need to start your own thread, Sofia/s, where you can praise instsmums and reality celebrities for getting free holidays, bigger houses and more stuff?

@madamegrizzly @flyingbird it's odd isn't it. I followed for the midwifery and this was the first time it felt completely fake and just because. The account doesn't feel like that is the USP and I've mentally moved on and she's just an influencer so I question everything!