But I DO want another referendum

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AIBU? According to Nigel Farage, I am. Nick Clegg, I'm not. Please can we just have another vote to see?

No! Simply because serious negative effects were and are a given!

Staying in would have serious negative effects, leaving will... they are just different!

My perspective is by staying in we are very much the frog in a pan of cold water...

There is a whole world out there, so many other countries, the Commonwealth etc. If UK businesses can't find trade partners with a free remit, unhindered by any external constraints, then maybe the Remainers were right, we do need a Big Boy to tell us how to succeed. But I don't believe so! I believe that UK businesses will take a step to re-assess the new opportunities and then thrive, more so than they have since the 90s.

That first word should have been Yes

Sorry, Neolara! I deleted a more rambling sentence and forgot to proof read for sense!

Neolara I never wanted to leave home EU and still think it's a bad idea. The gov should have figured this out to start with though using experts etc. rather than blindly following the very small (arguably misinformed) majority.

The original referendum question was only the tip of a very large iceberg - and I believe that the referendum took place for political gain rather than for the good of all. If we are to make a good, informed decision about Brexit, we need to be in possession of the facts, and we need a clear majority (60:40?) at that time either way. Do we really want to base such a momentous decision on (as summed up by @curious) everyone lied.....nobody knew anything.....that's how it works...hindsight is 20:20...it is done! Do we just plough on regardless or do we reflect and re-evaluate like adults? I would very much prefer the latter.

@Neolara, in principle, if there was absolute proof, I would not have a problem with the government overturning the decision, but definitely not another referendum. It wasn't the correct method then, it isn't now.

But that's it, isn't it? There is no absolute proof, there never will be other than living it out, and even then there are too many variables to be able to definitively blame brexit.

Do we just plough on regardless or do we reflect and re-evaluate like adults? I would very much prefer the latter. But this is politics, not a nice conversation over coffee.

My summation is what happened... that can't be changed. It was, as has been said often, a lunatic idea, terrible methodology, a really, really stupid thing to do.

But my solution is to stop navel gazing... the other half of the post you part quoted! Start working towards getting the very best out of it instead of bemoaning the 'What ifs...' I happen to believe that UK businesses are perfectly capable and may even be well positioned, to make the very best of this... and need to be supported in doing so!

So if we had another vote as you propose the two possible outcomes:

LEAVE - will you then want a third vote?

REMAIN - well now it's one a piece so better go best of three eh?

It's done, move on

To those of you who definitely don't want to rerun the referendum, can I ask a hypothetical question. If it became clear that leaving the EU would have very serious negative effects on the country, and that view was very widely accepted as an accurate viewpoint, would you feel that we should continue to leave the EU?
Neloara - you can see on this thread how leavers think. Yes, even if it's disastrous, we should suck it up. Even if we're poorer. Because what's done is done and "that's that" (and other such trite nonsense). It is astonishing how little people care about the terms of exit, or about what the future might look like and how little faith they are putting in dullards like David and May.

There is a real dearth of political awareness in this country, with people apparently unable to comprehend the sheer complexity of the position we've put ourselves in. Cameron was massively irresponsible. It would be complex enough if we were one country; the fact that the UK is comprised of four countries (two of whom don't want to leave the EU) makes the situation even more complicated.

Whoops! I meant 'how MUCH faith people are putting in dullards like Davis and May'.

I only want another vote if the result is a very strong remain (at least 60% remain, preferably more like 70% remain).

I don't think we'll get that. So no point. :(

Mr Leaver: Sorry our marriage is over I want to leave.
Mrs Remainer: What, where are you going to go?
Mr Leaver: I dont know but I am leaving.
Mrs Remainer: No you fucking aren't, if you cant say where you are going you aren't setting foot outside this house.

Mr Leaver: Seriously?
Mrs Remainer: Yes, you do not get to decide if you want to go because you dont know what it will be like if you leave me.
Mr Leaver: What do you suggest we do?
Mrs Remainer: We get the courts to refuse our divorce and we are forced to stay together in a loveless marriage.
Mr Leaver: And you really want that?
Mrs Remainer: Yes, love isn't everything, I just want your money.
Mr Leaver: But I dont what to live with you.
Mrs Remainer: Who cares what you want.

The Great Depresssion, have you heard of it...
We did not join the EU , we survived and grew as an economy.

At what point will people realise that the UK can come out of this and survive, we are not going to rot and the UK sink beneath the waves, we will do what we have always done as a country,, adapt and overcome what ever it it. because if you can't see that may times in history the wheel of fortune has turn, sometimes you are on the up and sometimes you sink,.... THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS .. look at Greece it is in the EU and it's a right bloody mess..... Even the EU expect it too leave and then it will right it's self and become more prospers. Why because that is how things work.

The Great Depression, that led to WWII, millions dead, followed by , oh yes European cooperation and the seed of the common market ? That one ? Didn't quite sort it out on our own did we ?

We've had a referendum. The decision has been made. No point in having another one. If that doesn't go the way certain folk want then will we have yet another. One is quite enough. They wouldn't have held it if they hadn't been so sure we'd have voted stay. We didn't.

Another vote please.

Stillwishihadabs I think you will find WW1 and the state Germany was in afterwards had far more to do with WW2 than the Depression.. also WW1 was a cause of the Depression in it's self...

Junkier is someone who wants to amalgamate Europe and raise an army... now who does that sound like... Megalomaniac is the word that springs to mind....

The Great Depresssion, have you heard of it...
We did not join the EU , we survived and grew as an economy.

Yeah. Then in 1973 we did join the EU and we enjoyed faster economic growth until 2015 than Germany, France, or the USA did over the same period: www.inet.ox.ac.uk/news/Brexit.

We could vote 99.9% to remain on a second referendum and we would never get back to where we were. The minute the referendum was ill advisedly held, we lost our ambiguous place. And even if you chose Leave, you have to be appalled at the negotiating team's strategy thus far.

Which was fine till the Megalomaniac took over.
It's all Junkers fault.

We voted to join for TRADE...
Not to become part of The united states of Europe.

YABU. Give it a rest already. We LOST. What are we supposed to do, play rock paper scissors until everyone's voted the "right" way?

So if you'd got the desired decision the first time around, would you have been happy for a second vote? Seriously?

Yes to this. Would be interesting to know. If remain had "won", would there have been half as much debate as to how much we needed another referendum as people didn't know what they were doing?
(This coming from a remain voter)

What will a second vote achieve? If it’s a Yes then the country continues into economic oblivion. A No vote would cause turmoil and even more uncertainty, followed by a decent into a different oblivion.

It doesn’t matter what the outcome of the vote would be. In 10 years everyone will be living in the ruins of London fighting over the last can of tuna. The rich fled long ago, as did the immigrants who decided crossing the Mediterranean on a punctured lilo was preferable to life in Guildford. Perhaps being nuked by North Korea will seem like a positive thing.

Then in 1973 we did join the EU and we enjoyed faster economic growth until 2015 than Germany, France, or the USA did over the same period:
And funnily that growth never kicked off until after Thatcher. I'd be more inclined to give the credit to her than the EU. Incidentally, our trade imbalance with the EU has increased every year since we joined. Most G20 countries (outside the EU) have increased their trade. Doesn't seem to be working for us.