But I DO want another referendum

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AIBU? According to Nigel Farage, I am. Nick Clegg, I'm not. Please can we just have another vote to see?

Unfortunately although referendums are being quoted as advisory, DC made it very clear before the vote that it would in this case be binding and people voted knowing this, we have started the process and can't just say we've changed our minds and if we did I'm assuming the EU would not allows us to remain on our current terms and would insist on far greater interaction, including many controversial schemes that would be unpopular with the British public.
As far as a vote on the final deal - be careful what you wish for as its apparently if granted likely to be a vote to accept the deal or accept no deal and crash out with nothing! Just imagine if no deal won 😱

Cameron said it would be acted on and it has been, but that still doesn't make it legally binding. The bottom line is it can still legally be reversed. I'm not commenting on whether that's a good idea (as much as I would like it to be!) but on a purely semantic point it was never a binding referendum. Those that can't seem to believe that surely just need to google - it was widely stated

The irony of Farage complaining that Clegg and Blair would never stop campaigning against Brexit...like he would have stopped if the position had been reversed?!! He built a political party on that very point and had already said prior to the referendum that he wouldn’t consider a 52/48 remain victory as finished business. The man is absolutely odious and whoever said up thread this was a moot point and only made in a sad, desperate attempt to try and remain relevant is spot on.

Although ruled since the election that it was not legally binding, the country went to the polls believing the result would be implicated, here is just one example of the promise from the government.

Putting aside misinformation during the campaign on both sides, people who say that having a new referendum undermines democracy are ignoring how democracy was totally undermined by the first referendum.

It was not clear what we were voting for. Leaving EU, single market, EEA? Politicians were given a dubious mandate and then decided what the mandate was actually for.

Despite Cameron's rhetoric before the referendum, it was not legally binding but since has been treated as such.

When we are talking about the biggest constitutional change this country has seen for decades, the idea that this should be done on the basis of a referendum without it being absolutely clear firstly what we were voting for and secondly setting up a more robust requirement to get a leave vote through is madness.

We could have been leaving the EU with a 1 vote majority which is insane.

I am a remainer but appreciate that many people who voted leave had legitimate reasons to do so. However, leave voters are not a homogenous group and for many, their vision for the Uk outside of the EU is far from the reality we are facing. Just like remainers are not all EU flag waving zealots who want a federalised Europe.

A referendum is not a football match where the losers must accept the result and move on. It is about doing what is best for millions of people and putting our fingers in our ears and shouting that it is over so leave May to do whatever the hell she wants is not in my view the way to best serve those interests.

Yes, YABU because you wouldn't have wanted another if the result was different the first time.

I do want one, mostly because I want a chance to stop Brexit, and because I think the vote will be more meaningful once people have a better idea of what Leave and Remain would mean in practice. I also think if we had another vote and Leave won again, people like me would have to shut up and accept that no matter how much we disagree with Brexit, no matter how bad an idea we think it is, we have to go through with it.

But, unless the result of another referendum was a properly conclusive win for one side or the other (60/40 at the very least), I don't see the side that 'loses' accepting it.

Farage said on referendum night that if the result was 52/48 Remain, it would be unfinished business, heavily implying that he would continue to fight to take Britain out of the EU. I don't understand why people can't see why a 52/48 Leave result is going to be seen as unfinished business by Remainers, and why they are surprised that with such a close result, Remainers are continuing to fight for us to stay in.

David Cameron really fucked up.

Muttmad - it's not since the election it was ruled it was non binding. The legislation said nothing about it being binding. Like a PP said - the AV vote was explicitly stated to be legally binding, the EU ref was not. The screenshot you've posted just says the government agrees to implement the decision, not that the decision is legally unbreakable.

IF you leave your club, you walk out the front door, shut the door and don't go back in.
You have to be pretty stupid to not realise this was what the leave or remain vote was about.
Leave was pretty clear, we leave stop paying into the budget and would make our own trade deals.

Remain was for things to stay the same.
Dress it up how ever you like, We knew what we were voting for.
The same as when Blair got in on the view a time for change...

https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

So if you'd got the desired decision the first time around, would you have been happy for a second vote? Seriously?

Happy? No. But I would have expected another one to happen within a few years, because a result that close in favour of Remain would have given Leavers an excellent argument that almost half the country did not agree with the result and the issue was not settled.

The remain voters seem to think they are superior and everyone else is intellectually stunted. However, they are digging their own hole here.
I don't think I am superior to anyone, certainly not on the basis of our position on Brexit. I do think I am right about Brexit, which means I think they are wrong. But I can think someone is wrong without thinking they are inferior. And I can definitely think someone was lied to without thinking they are intellectually stunted.

Sinceyouask - spot on, particularly with regards to expecting (and for me accepting, despite being a remainer) a further vote if it had gone to remain.

No, I would rather we go back to a parliamentary democracy. I would like this government to come clean and admit this was and is a terrible mistake and can’t go ahead in it’s hard form. That won’t happen, what will happen is they’ll crash the economy, then government will collapse. I see this being the last conservative government for many years, perhaps ever. I’m so cross with Jeremy Corbyn, a centrist leader would have won that last election.

it couldn't have been made clearer before the vote that the results would be implicated!
If they had said "if you vote remain we will listen but if you vote leave we will ignore you and carry on as normal" than I could understand the argument but as it stands we were all led to believe they would go through with it should the vote swing to leave which it did.
We may not like it but unfortunately the EU referendum had the biggest voter turn out for over 20 years and around 1300000 more people voted leave than remain, yes that's one million three hundred thousand! As it's said polls show leave voters haven't changed their minds and even allowing for some of the oldies having died off, not to mention the voters who said they only voted remain due to project fear, I'm not sure another ref would achieve a better result!

Tough - there won't be another one. Time for Remainers to stop whining.

I try so hard not to see the Leave voters as a single entity but it's so difficult when all you hear is the "haha we won, nur nur ne nur nur" and no actual thought out discussion. If Leavers were so confident this isn't a massive disaster they wouldn't be so scared of the prospect of a second vote

There should be another referendum, now it's plain that the first was premised on ignorance of the consequences and lies about what new choices the country has.
It was another Tory fuck up, pandering to it's lunatic right wing and fear of Farage, and we all have to pay for it. Or not if we grow up a bit and correct this stupidity.

I try so hard not to see the Leave voters as a single entity but it's so difficult when all you hear is the "haha we won, nur nur ne nur nur" and no actual thought out discussion. If Leavers were so confident this isn't a massive disaster they wouldn't be so scared of the prospect of a second vote

Not a leaver.

Don't want another vote.

When do you stop? Best of 10 anyone?

Why don't we have the best of three in a Rock Paper Scissors tournament and be done with it.

People have vote fatigue. Me included.

There won't be one, and if there was I'd be terrified that the Leavers would come out in greater numbers anyway. If they weren't swayed by facts the first time, they won't be a second either.

I just wish David Cameron had never promised a referendum in the first place. Another stupid Tory decision that went tits up!

Absolutely should vote again.

Please no. We voted. What next...They going to re run general elections as you dont like the vote

Result

They going to re run general elections as you dont like the vote
Good idea. We could do it once every few years!