But I DO want another referendum

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AIBU? According to Nigel Farage, I am. Nick Clegg, I'm not. Please can we just have another vote to see?

Gottagetmoving I don't disagree but that is the nature of politics and elections sadly. They say one thing before and then it's a different story afterwards

We've had enough referendums. We vote these people in for them to decide our future, not to spend millions on getting us to choose for them so they can't be blamed. It's money that could be spent better elsewhere, like in the NHS.

But that would be sensible so we'll probably have another referendum.

You think people are genuinely more informed now than they were before the referendum? Nope. People now are even more insulated in their own private echo chambers. All this guff about how badly the negotiations are going, based on public bluff and bluster on both sides, and picking and choosing reported "facts" based on what suits their own narrative. The racists are still convinced that all the brown people are the cause of all the countries problems, and they'll all disappear on 19th March 2019. People are completely shit at critical thinking and being objective about things, and need to stop thinking they're freaking super politico-law-sleuths who understand things so much better than the people actually involved.

I could probably count on my fingers how many people in the country are even close to being informed enough to have a valid opinion. The first referendum was an ill-advised move. A second is just bloody minded populist ridiculousness. The public just isn't intelligent enough to deal with the breadth of the arguments, on both sides. Any decision to reverse Brexit must now come from parliament, they might not be much better informed, but they're who we vote for to make those decisions for us.

And enough of this, "leavers didn't know what they were voting for" crap. Neither did the remainers. There wasn't a status quo option on the table. The EU has stated time and time again their mission is for ever closer integration. The union we joined looked vastly different to what it does now, in another 40 years do you think it'll look like it does today?

That ship has sailed. Wgat would you do with the vote if it was remain now? We would be laughed at and nothing would change.

This is not a relationship whereby we dump our spouse and decide the divorce price is too high so lets snuggle again. Like any self respecting person trested to that behaviour the answer is...jog on!

Far far too late to pull out now. We would ve way too weak and subject to control and ridicule.

I voted remain and would love us to stay but the ship, she has sailed.

Shouldn’t we all just accept the democratic result and suck it up?

Said by a leaver on this thread^^

So even if it's shit we should 'suck it up'. Even if our economy collapses, we should 'suck it up'. Even if we end up with a brain drain, we should 'suck it up'. Even if the UK is broken up as a result, we should 'suck it up'... because of a democratic vote that was based on lies and information. Go us! Go UK! We'll show the world what real obstinacy democracy looks like...

No wonder half the world is staring at the UK in utter bewilderment. We are a laughing stock.

If we had a remain vote now, we wouldn't be laughed at, we'd be welcomed back to the land of the sentient and economically viable.

Seek - exactly. The world is already pissing itself at our stupidity. We have nothing else to lose

I am conflicted. I would like another vote because I don’t think we were given all the facts and/or were deliberately misled.

However, I voted no in the Scottish referendum and don’t want another one of them, and argue that the people have spoken.

So on balance I don’t think there should be another, much as I would like one.

I'd love another referendum. A lot of new things have been revealed since the first one. If leavers still vote out I'd be more than happy to shut up.

Seek and two, sadly i very much doubt it. And we will never know for sure.

There will not be another referendum on Brexit. Both main parties have said this. The vote has already taken place and the results are in and at the end of the day more voters wanted to leave the EU than to remain - and that's that.

Definitely I think we should have another vote - with the terms of Brexit clearly spelled out and the repercussions clearly laid out.

Nobody knew what they were voting for last time (certainly in terms of economic impact etc) and some people (cough, Farage, cough) just lied through their teeth to capitalise on racial division.

The fact that many people STILL don't know that being part of the EU never meant free movement of people into the UK, only free movement of labour - the fact is our government had the right to deport ANYONE unemployed from the EU after three months but never exercised it. Blame our government NOT the evil EU Overlords...

One more vote is more than sufficient. It would be a gift to many people who understand more now than they did before. If in the face of what we know now the public still voted for UKexit, that's fine with me.

Oh for fucks sake! And if it goes the other way? Then what? Best of 3? You've got 2 referendums with 2 different outcomes, you might as well have not bothered having one. Talk about making a mockery of democracy. Some people just need to grow up and stop chucking their toys out of the fucking pram.

I can't deal with all the mud slinging, and name calling from both sides.

"Everyone that voted leave is racist"

"Don't let the over 60 vote they'll be dead soon and won't have to live with their choice"

All things I heard and don't want to again

The big mistake IMO was not setting a benchmark of say 60% to leave as I think that it would have negated a lot of bad feeling and ensured that it was decided on a clear majority.

If a minority want something different they can try and elect the Liberal Democrats to government and get them to make the UK rejoin the EU.

In the same way as before the referendum, if a minority wanted out of the EU they could have tried to elect Ukip to government? Why didn't we stick with that plan then? We could have called it something like "representative democracy".

I read the referendum act before the vote, and was surprised how thin it was. Advisory only, no percentages, no what would happen next. Presumably on the basis that like all previous referenda, the result would be 'no change'.

The Scots would have had the same if they had voted for independence. Our arrogant politicians don't plan very well.

treeofhearts I see 'chucking toys out of the pram' to be something that someone might do if they've lost a game or a competition. This isn't people getting lairy because they don't like losing, it's people worried about their futures. Whether their concerns will prove to be justified in the end, who knows but they are entitled to have concerns.

Lots of people did not know the reality of what they were voting for 1st time round so absolutely to clarify the position a second vote would be the best idea to ensure that which ever way it would go people would be satisfied with what was happening.

Oh fuck off!!! Not this again!

EVERYONE LIED... NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING... THAT's HOW IT WORKS... HINDSIGHT IS 20:20... IT IS DONE!

The best thing would be for us, the electorate, to tweet, post, email etc to EVERY politician, UK and EURO, and tell them to stop dicking around and just do the best job they can for everyone involved. As in act like actual adults!

At the moment all that is happening is lots of chest beating, willy waving and sheer fucking stupidity that will wreck more than the UKs finances.

Look, this is not how it works. One referendum, one vote. It's no good all those who voted remain to keep harping on and on about how they didn't get the result they wanted. Get over it.

Theresa May needs to be free to push ahead with the EU negotiations unhindered by the need to arrange another referendum.

User Okay so reverse that. What about if it had been remain? The leavers then would have been worried about their futures too as presumably they believe that leaving is what is best for us and I'd be saying the same thing. A vote is a vote, we can't just keep having it. Even if we voted again and it came out remain, more shit would come out that we didn't know about because it always does, there's always something hidden from us, politicians lie! It's practically a requirement. Then it would be the same old tune again but from the other side. Then what happens? Best of 3? 3 out of 5? One side is always going to be unhappy with the outcome, you can't do what is best for 100% of the population.

To those of you who definitely don't want to rerun the referendum, can I ask a hypothetical question. If it became clear that leaving the EU would have very serious negative effects on the country, and that view was very widely accepted as an accurate viewpoint, would you feel that we should continue to leave the EU?

treeofhearts, the difference is that we knew what to expect by remaining so it was unlikely that 'any more shit would come out' that we didn't know about already and as a part of the EU we were able to vote on matters that concerned us. That wasn't really my point anyway, my point was that it's unfair to accuse people of 'throwing their toys out of the pram' like they are pissed off that they lost a competition. People are entitled to be concerned about making a leap into the unknown. Remaining wouldn't have been a leap into the unknown.