Labour has totally lost the plot wit Identity Politics?

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Labour Youth are advertising posts and have positions ring marked for “self identifying women only” to encourage more women into politics. Just seems a really strange way of describing women and actually means that all the posts could go males instead of females (can’t really use women any more). Can’t wrap my mind round how identity politics has become so prolific and taking priority or biology. The future doesn’t seem to have much place for females. Labout Woman’s officer Lily Madigan on it.?I’d like to see what Labour women think of this.

I may have misremembered it. The stats are here:

fairplayforwomen.com/fact-checker/trans-murder-rates

Their risk of murder is no higher than the average person's.

I literally cannot believe that if you google

women killed in 2017

you get mainly trans women articles. FFS

So even though women around the world are murdered at an alarming rate, transgender murder comes up higher in the search engine.

"Transwomen are statistically more likely to be raped, to be murdered, to be sexually assaulted or violently attacked, to be discriminated against at work, to be homeless, to be paid less than their peers, and to be the victims of domestic violence than ciswomen are"."

Even assuming that this is true, I personally think that there is an element of choice in being a transwoman that those of us who are born women do not have.

Justbreathing maybe it is people google in disbelief of the stats the TRAs circulate?

It’s a bit like gender studies came out of feminism/women’s studies and you find masculinities literature filed first on the library shelves

And anyway, even if it were a fact rather than a outright lie that males who claim to be women are more at risk of being killed than women, it doesn't change the fact that male people who say they're women, are still not women. They'll never be women. They can be "transwomen" and have protections as "transwomen" but all the identifying and emotional manipulations in the world do not change the objective, material reality that adult male people are not adult female people.

Trans people need to have their own representation and protections, and cease the assault on ours.

Not sure if this has already been posted, but there is a go fund me set up, which is trending. To launch a legal challenge to this as it conflicts with sex protection afforded by the equalities act.

'Every little helps'.

www.gofundme.com/fighting-for-female-representatives

Does his mean women and transwomen can apply or just transwomen?

A biological woman that is non binary or a trans man can't apply, a man who self identifies as a woman once, can apply as a woman.

Women, actual biological women, cannot apply unless they self identify as such.

You have to self identify as something which has NO definition.

You can't just be a woman. Because being a woman is no longer a matter of reality.

It's something that you 'opt into'. That you decide to be.

Straight out of the transactivist playbook.

We are now being forced to play the linguistic game that eradicates the meaning of the word woman.

In order to have any kind of say in our erasure, we have to erase ourselves first.

I don’t self-identity as a woman, though - I just am a woman. They don’t have posts for self-identifying men, men are simply accepted as such. So, yes, I cannot apply for a post which asks for self-identifying women.

This is dystopian.

*Women, actual biological women, cannot apply unless they self identify as such.

You have to self identify as something which has NO definition.

You can't just be a woman. Because being a woman is no longer a matter of reality.

It's something that you 'opt into'. That you decide to be.

Straight out of the transactivist playbook.

We are now being forced to play the linguistic game that eradicates the meaning of the word woman.

In order to have any kind of say in our erasure, we have to erase ourselves first.*

Perfectly explains why I’m so incredulous and angry about this whole nonsense.

Plot well and truly lost.

If we are going on 'gender identity', I am not a woman. I am not a man either. I do not have a gender identity at all, so I guess I do not really exist.

Women will not generally 'self-identify' as women as..they just ARE women. Is it even possible for an adult human female to 'self identify' as a woman? Doesn't self-identify imply that you are identifying with somethin you are not?

It's getting out of hand. It's a boy or it's a girl, at birth will end up, "it's a baby!". No blue for boys, pink for a girl.

Quote from the gofundme page:

Trans women are women. Their experiences are those of women.

Wtf

No blue for boys, pink for a girl.

It is the pink for a girl, blue for a boy that got us into this mess.

Trans women are women. Their experiences are those of women.

I'd love them to give an example.

I have read a few of the trans threads on here, I have a slightly different perspective than most I think. Probably because of my age and having been involved in LGBTQ politics for a while.

I think Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie said it best last year 'trans women are trans women.' Every deserves to be respected for who they are and everyone should have the right to dress the way they choose to, do the things that they enjoy and feel safe. These are all things which are too often denied to anyone who is perceived as a woman. Misogyny exists. I think that's something feminists and TRAs are in agreement on. The problem comes with this self identification idea that by identifying as a woman, that is the same as someone who didn't have that choice because they were born female.

I have sympathy for trans women, feeling like you're being seen as something you're not must be horrible. But even so, it is different. Because trans women reach a point in their lives where they decide (or not as the case may be) to transition. Up until that point, unless they are lucky enough to have always been androgynous looking and had very liberal parents, they will have been perceived by society as boys/men. Because of that, no matter how uncomfortable it may have made them feel, they will have been treated as boys/men. They might have hated it, it might have made them feel dysphoric and that is totally valid, but it is still different to the misogyny experienced by people born with vaginas who have been treated as girls/women from birth. I think at the crux of it, what most people here, and in fact most people branded 'TERFs' seem to want is acknowledgement of that difference.

As far as this particular issue goes, I do appreciate that the 'self identifying' part was only put in to include trans women and ignoring that antagonistic tweet, wasn't meant to exclude women. I don't know how I feel about the idea as a whole, but I think that as long as it is monitored and actions are taken to prevent the majority of women's seats being taken by trans women, it's not as big of an issue as it's being made out to be.

'trans women are trans women.' Every deserves to be respected for who they are and everyone should have the right to dress the way they choose to, do the things that they enjoy and feel safe

Absolutely agree. It seems really bizarre that some TRA's are trying to say that saying this is akin to violence.

They're dim-wit PC leftie Guardian types...... What do you expect?

If you want to donate to the legal challenge being made then Datun posted the link earlier. Jennifer James has organised this in response to the LP all women's lists being opened up to "self identifying women" whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean.

I think that as long as it is monitored and actions are taken to prevent the majority of women's seats being taken by trans women, it's not as big of an issue as it's being made out to be

What would be an acceptable number of males to have in a program that was designed to increase female participation in politics? 10 per cent? 20 per cent? 50 per cent? And how would it be 'monitored', given that the whole point of imposing self-ID is to ensure that there are no longer any objective grounds on which to define women?

Labour already have as a women's officer a 19-year-old man who prior to declaring his 'womanhood' was an MRA who trolled women-only events, and who is now opening trolling Labour women and threatening that he has access to their contact data. And there is not a damn thing any woman can do about this. Because this misogynist MRA is now a 'woman', based on his say-so.

Chimamanda was being too kind when she said 'transwomen are transwomen'. She, like most women, has no idea of the depth of the misogyny of many men who identify as 'transwomen', nor of the extreme misogyny that this entire ideology enables, by displacing women from the subject position within our own category of being and making it impossible for us to name reality.

Because women are not a reality anymore. No, we are a metaphysical idea that any man can claim. Men, meanwhile, will continue to be real. You won't see them ceding their political positions or anything else to trans-identified females. They'll be absolutely delighted to see the crimes of male rapists, murderers and paedophiles recorded in the female stats. And boy, do they absolutely love telling women that sex-based oppression isn't real (how can it be when 'sex' isn't real?)

'Transwomen' are men, and most of them are men who, far from having any affinity with women, are filled with hatred and envy for us. Women need to stop being so empathetic towards men who claim gender dysphoria. The vast majority have shown that they have no empathy with us.

Going back briefly to the Labour AWS thing, if I promise to “self define” as a woman (even although I am an unmistakable biological woman) can I also self define as a youth to get access to a place? I mean if identify is that fluid and I’m looking for a new career, why let my date of birth get in the way? I now want to be known as a 22 year old woman instead of a 42 year old woman and if you dare tell me I’m not 22 then it’s age discrimination...

Can I also invent a term for TRA’s that rolls of the tongue a bit better? From here on in I suggest we refer to them as FARTs (Female Abating Radical Trans) ?

We are a metaphysical idea that any man can claim

Yes, this is extremely well put. But therein lies the rub, because a metaphysical idea is just that, a concept, a creation - not a tangible entity. The whole edifice (of TRA logic) would crumble if the discussion was about material reality.

If we talk about material reality, we are bigots.

FARTs (Female Abating Radical Trans)

Love this. Yes.

Now a Momentum activist who tweets sycophantic support on Lily Madigan’s account is claiming on Stella Creasy account that TW can get pregnant. Are we going to see this Brave New World become part if the ciriculum? All biology books changed? Is this going to be a new Labour policy - and if not why not?