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To feel annoyed that my husband's work place has no trained first aider

116 replies

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 10:47

I wrote a letter that I will not send because I realise it's too long and emotionally charged. It goes like this:

Hi xxxxx, xxxxx and xxxxx

Happy New Year!

At the start of this New Year I wanted to mention First Aid Training. www.savelivesatwork.co.uk/new-regulations because I am concerned mainly for xxxxx, but for all of you too.

On a personal level:

During the Christmas period, a friend of mine with end stage lung disease was taken to hospital by ambulance. When she arrived, she found that xx hospital in xxxxxtown was full and diverting their patients to xxxxxotherhospital. As a result, she spent NINE hours in an ambulance in the car park before she could even get inside the building. The newspapers are not reporting how bad the problems with the NHS are because it's being hushed up. It could be the person closest to you whose life you save, or maybe prevent an existing health problem becoming fatal. If there isn't already a personnel file with employee's health needs and emergency contacts/ info to tell emergency services, please can you do one. Even if an ambulance needs to be called, it can take four hours and people are dying because of the delay.

When xxxxx had his hand accident at work a year or two ago, he was in shock and drove to hospital without me knowing. I was really worried because he didn't return from work at the usual time and (didn't have his mobile phone so I couldn't find out where he was anyway) Probably he "should" have told someone how bad it was, but if the people around him had been aware of accident proceedures and the symptoms of shock, they could have driven him or helped. All sorts of things could have gone wrong on the way. I'm glad he's fine, but obviously some sort of proceedure needs to be in place when someone is injured.

On a business level: Not having trained first aiders is downright dangerous and opens up the risk of serious injury, death and all kinds of other problems, like not being a certified safe working area and more problems, that you can probably imagine. Personally as an employed, I'd be terrified not to have trained first aiders, for all kinds of reasons. I really don't mean to offend anyone, so I hope you will forgive me, but obviously xxxxx is my main concern and if you have already booked one then please disregard what I've said.

Please , please get a first aid course booked asap. If you're too busy or need help sourcing some reasonable ones, I'm happy to help.

Best wishes,

xxxx(myname)

This has been making my blood boil for a long time. The employer is tight with money and goes mad every time they try to book a first aid course because he says it's "too expensive". IDK what to do, but I'm really worried because my husband has a rare lung disease and I don't think they even have files on the employees health needs, emergency contacts or accident proceedures in place. It seems that noone has the time to sort this or the balls to tell the boss it's unacceptable. WTF do I/we do about this??

OP posts:
Snowysky20009 · 09/01/2018 10:50

How many employees are there? (Yes this matters)

molifly · 09/01/2018 10:53

Do you work for the company? If not it would be inappropriate for you to send that email if you don't work there.

Your DH needs to go to a union/CAB if it is that much of an issue however i'm not sure they can legally enforce it.

Snowysky20009 · 09/01/2018 10:54

Because they may only need an appointed person and not a first aider.

Snowysky20009 · 09/01/2018 10:55

No but I was a first aid trainer for 10 years so know the legal requirements inside and out.

Snowysky20009 · 09/01/2018 10:56

Sorry Molifly I thought you were asking me that then lol

Blackteadrinker77 · 09/01/2018 10:59

Can't comment without knowing the number of employees on site at any one time.

maddnessintheroost · 09/01/2018 11:04

Don't send it - you are only going to make life hard for your husband. Instead why don't you and your husband go on first aid courses. As others have said, the company may already be dealing with their legal requirement but if you want more, your husband can leave the job. Whilst he was in shock, your husband took the decision to drive.

321namechange · 09/01/2018 11:07

St Johns Ambulance has a lot of free advisory posters that can be downloaded. Perhaps your DH could offer to put some up on noticeboards?

flimp · 09/01/2018 11:09

What has the first paragraph got to do with your husband's workplace? I'm cross about the NHS situation too, but what's the relevance here?

And sorry OP, but you're not his mum. Your DH should be looking at this if it's such a problem.

Flowers for you though, you've been through a very upsetting situation.

HoppingPavlova · 09/01/2018 11:10

Uuuuuhmm, I’m really confused. Your DH works for the company but YOU are writing the letter. If so that’s the weirdest thing I have ever come across. Even if you do also work for the company surely you would take the stuff about your DH out and just concentrate on the facts about things that are required and why without all the emotive stuff that currently makes it all sound a bit unhinged. Actually the whole letter is odd, it would need to be clear on what statutory (or if not, then ‘best-practice) items are not in place or are sub-optimal and formal steps required to address. Rather, you have compiled a random assortment of personal stories, antidotes and hysteria with a finale of offering to book a first aid course.

Irrespective, only an employee can really deal with this, not their friends or relatives so if you don’t work there then your DH must deal with this, not you. If you do also work there then of course you can deal with it but for gods sake get some assistance with a letter constructed properly for such a request.

BinkyandBunty · 09/01/2018 11:12

It would be really, really inappropriate for you to send that.

It's your husband's employer, if he's concerned he should raise it with them himself.

araiwa · 09/01/2018 11:12

jesus christ! dont send that!

for so many reasons

HoppingPavlova · 09/01/2018 11:13

anecdotes ..... sry,phone

IrkThePurist · 09/01/2018 11:14

I realise you're upset, but don't send that. If your husband wants to do something about it he can contact ACAS or his union, if he has one.
Talk to him about it, because if his employer is that bad its going to cause problems for him.

I do understand that conditions in the workplace are deteriorating, but you don't volunteer someone else to be the whistle blower.

constantchange · 09/01/2018 11:18

Your husband wouldn't feel emasculated by you sending that? It's pretty weird coming from you, his wife, tbh.

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 11:18

It's a small business that uses dangerous machinery, usually less than ten employees but sometimes one is alone using machinery when probably shouldn't be.

I'm not going to send that letter, but found it cathartic to share it here. I'm feeling emotional anyway because the NHS situation and because of my friend who has end stage lung disease. My DH actually has a very rare lung disease that most people haven't even heard of. I guess I'm just worried about him when he's at work. Also, he doesn't have life insurance so we would not only be grief stricken if something happened to him, but also penniless. How do people even afford life insurance if they have an existing health condition??

OP posts:
TeenTimesTwo · 09/01/2018 11:19

If you must send something it needs to be way more succinct and come from your DH.

Dear

I am concerned we do not have a trained first aider at work. Although I know we are not legally required to have one, I strongly feel that having a trained first aider at work would be beneficial to the business.
If anyone had an accident (such as the accident I had on XXX) a trained first aider would be able to do an initial quick assessment and if necessary treatment. This could be cost effective as otherwise A&E or doctors visits might be needed etc.
Additionally your employees would feel more confident and happy at work as they would feel you are taking our safety more seriously.
If there were a serious accident at work with no first aider, I am also concerned at the time lost due to H&S executive inquiries etc.
A suitable training course from the Red Cross would only cost XXX and take Y days.
I would really appreciate it if this could be considered
Yours sincerely.

ShotsFired · 09/01/2018 11:20

Wow, OP clearly stated - "I wrote a letter that I will not send..." on the very first line and still people are piling in to say "don't send"!

Hmm
battenbergbutterfly · 09/01/2018 11:21

You will make your husband look like. Primary school child having a letter taken in by his mum. Do not send it.

sonjadog · 09/01/2018 11:22

What does your husband say about it? Is he planning on tackling this with his employer?

MustShowDH · 09/01/2018 11:25

YABU

Sorry about your friend, but I think it has made you feel unnecessarily anxious about this.

If my husband got this involved about such a tiny aspect of my work life, I'd tell him to get a life.

Did your husband not report the accident when it happened, or just not report it fully? He may have broken the companies H&S regulations himself, so not sure I'd be highlighting that.

IF your husband is worried about his safety at work, he has a duty to report, so a quick note to his line manager asking for a review of first aiders / appointed persons would be appropriate. A long winded rant from his wife mentioning lots of irrelevant info is not.

However, like you said, you're not going to send it.

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 11:26

If you read what I wrote it said "I wrote a letter that I will not send" Grin

Because I'm a grown up, I know that looking like DH's mum isn't a good move and because I know that holding the feelings inside is bad for my health too.

OP posts:
Littlecaf · 09/01/2018 11:29

Would your DH be prepared to be the first Aider? Maybe ask if he could go on the course?

babyboyHarrison · 09/01/2018 11:30

Look up the requirements of the health and safety at work act 1974. I believe there is a requirement to have sufficient first aiders to treat staff. It should have the details of what they should be providing. If they are not (or if you think the environment is dangerous and they should provide additional), call the HSE and report your concerns to them. No need for the company ever to know who said anything.

RunningOutOfCharge · 09/01/2018 11:30

Why the emphasis on a 'file'?

And a first wider can't help with lung diseases or anything other than an emergency intervention