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To feel annoyed that my husband's work place has no trained first aider

116 replies

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 10:47

I wrote a letter that I will not send because I realise it's too long and emotionally charged. It goes like this:

Hi xxxxx, xxxxx and xxxxx

Happy New Year!

At the start of this New Year I wanted to mention First Aid Training. www.savelivesatwork.co.uk/new-regulations because I am concerned mainly for xxxxx, but for all of you too.

On a personal level:

During the Christmas period, a friend of mine with end stage lung disease was taken to hospital by ambulance. When she arrived, she found that xx hospital in xxxxxtown was full and diverting their patients to xxxxxotherhospital. As a result, she spent NINE hours in an ambulance in the car park before she could even get inside the building. The newspapers are not reporting how bad the problems with the NHS are because it's being hushed up. It could be the person closest to you whose life you save, or maybe prevent an existing health problem becoming fatal. If there isn't already a personnel file with employee's health needs and emergency contacts/ info to tell emergency services, please can you do one. Even if an ambulance needs to be called, it can take four hours and people are dying because of the delay.

When xxxxx had his hand accident at work a year or two ago, he was in shock and drove to hospital without me knowing. I was really worried because he didn't return from work at the usual time and (didn't have his mobile phone so I couldn't find out where he was anyway) Probably he "should" have told someone how bad it was, but if the people around him had been aware of accident proceedures and the symptoms of shock, they could have driven him or helped. All sorts of things could have gone wrong on the way. I'm glad he's fine, but obviously some sort of proceedure needs to be in place when someone is injured.

On a business level: Not having trained first aiders is downright dangerous and opens up the risk of serious injury, death and all kinds of other problems, like not being a certified safe working area and more problems, that you can probably imagine. Personally as an employed, I'd be terrified not to have trained first aiders, for all kinds of reasons. I really don't mean to offend anyone, so I hope you will forgive me, but obviously xxxxx is my main concern and if you have already booked one then please disregard what I've said.

Please , please get a first aid course booked asap. If you're too busy or need help sourcing some reasonable ones, I'm happy to help.

Best wishes,

xxxx(myname)

This has been making my blood boil for a long time. The employer is tight with money and goes mad every time they try to book a first aid course because he says it's "too expensive". IDK what to do, but I'm really worried because my husband has a rare lung disease and I don't think they even have files on the employees health needs, emergency contacts or accident proceedures in place. It seems that noone has the time to sort this or the balls to tell the boss it's unacceptable. WTF do I/we do about this??

OP posts:
Anasnake · 09/01/2018 17:38

You sound like a busybody

Fatso1978 · 09/01/2018 17:40

Imagine everyone giving such person health info to their employer? So much abuse would go on. People would lose jobs. People would hide illnesses etc. Yeah, no thanks.

Snowysky20009 · 09/01/2018 20:40

What does the risk assessments state is the first question?

Homemenu1 · 09/01/2018 21:07

I think that your dh (with your help) Ned to find out exactly what he is responsible for and then work out what's in place and what isn't and go from there,

Arrange a meeting with boss and if no progress report

nooka · 09/01/2018 21:12

This isn't a mental health problem though. It's an unsafe workplace problem, and I'm afraid because of your dh's managerial position it's one he is complicit in. Now it could well be that he feels he can't get the boss of the company to take the safety steps that are needed, and that has made him more stressed and anxious. However the person who needs to step up and 'tell the boss its unacceptable' is the OP's husband. If he can't then he either needs to find help, and the HSE is the most obvious place to go to. Or he needs to quit or possibly go on sick leave if he is feeling unable to continue due to his health. If the situation is really very bad and the HSE come in to investigate they can shut down the company. If there is a significant accident they can arrive unannounced, shut down the company and bring legal action against those responsible for safety, which in this case includes your dh.

MustShowDH · 09/01/2018 22:12

I think responses would have been more sympathetic if the OP had posted:

"My husbands mental health means he is struggling to fulfil his responsibilities at work. How can I support him?'

But instead she went on some rant about the NHS and them being a tight employer yada yada and made herself look like a loon. No wonder her poor husband is stressed!

Primamadonna · 09/01/2018 22:36

I see your point op re keeping it legal at work...but do you not think there's loads of people in possibly dangerous or risky jobs ? If he was in the armed response unit would you be in the back of the police car with your plasters ?
My oh does lots of risky stuff via work I suppose, but he's a grown up and it's not my job to monitor him, he has a brain and he'd think me very weird if I started following him.

IndigoMoonFlower · 10/01/2018 01:20

Thanks Nooka, its both really. I do think its a MH issue as he isnt tackling it and hes asked me to, but I CANT because Im not employed there.
Honestly, its worrying me that he could get into trouble, but short of reporting the company there's nothing I can do about that- and if I did that he would definitely be in trouble.
Maybe if Id worded it better , I may have got a better response, but there's a difference between interfering and being asked to help. He wants me to help him, but I can't do what hes asking me.
Im not a "loon" as such, but am pretty stressed...I have my own job, elderly relatives and kids to look after on top of this, so its a bit much really.

OP posts:
nooka · 10/01/2018 02:19

Insurance wise you could look at an Accidental Death and Dismemberment policy. Which sounds very gruesome but does pretty much what it says on the tin in that it only pays out in the case of very serious injury. The insurers won't care about his lung disease because the policy is for accidents only but they might ask about his job and if it is really higher risk that would up the cost. Something to have a look into anyway. Will he go to his GP to talk about his mental health?

Employment wise he can and should continue to push the boss into doing the right thing, at the very least so that it is on paper should something go wrong. If he won't contact the HSE you should think about doing so if you truly believe it is a dangerous workplace. Otherwise all you can really do is encourage him to look for another job.

GetYourRocksOff · 10/01/2018 07:10

He needs to contact the HSE. As a manager he's loable, personally. People have been jailed for not meeting H&S requirements.

My dh is a manager in construction and has walked of jobs where those further up refuse to give him what he needs to ensure sites are safe.

Blackteadrinker77 · 10/01/2018 09:29

The last thing he needs to do is contact the HSE until all his responsibilities are taken care off and he can prove so.

Blackteadrinker77 · 10/01/2018 09:32

www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/hsprograms/list_off.html

Here is a very basic daily checklist. Print him a few months worth off and get him to start filling them in daily and keeping them in a health and safety file.

He'll also need a fire and pest control one.

Missonihoni · 10/01/2018 09:36

I'm just baffeled that all these men need their wives to accompany them to work.

Why don't you get your own jobs to attend ?

Blackteadrinker77 · 10/01/2018 09:38

www.derbys-fire.gov.uk/files/6513/8997/3130/fire_safety_log_book.pdf

A PDF, should be self explanatory but if not ask anything you need.

checklist.com/pest-control-checklist/

evaq8.co.uk/First-Aid-Kit-Contents-British-Standard.html

Pest control and the first aid kit 1&2 list as it sounds like that is the level he'd need.

Snowysky20009 · 10/01/2018 18:07

What's in the risk assessments?

MumOfTwoooo · 18/01/2018 09:26

I agree with PPs it'll be more expensive for his employer in the long run if something was to go wrong, every employment space is legally required to have someone that has had some sort of first aid training! I dont think you should send that email you wrote but you need to get some sort of paper trail showing that your husband tried to organise this incase something happens!

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