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To feel annoyed that my husband's work place has no trained first aider

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IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 10:47

I wrote a letter that I will not send because I realise it's too long and emotionally charged. It goes like this:

Hi xxxxx, xxxxx and xxxxx

Happy New Year!

At the start of this New Year I wanted to mention First Aid Training. www.savelivesatwork.co.uk/new-regulations because I am concerned mainly for xxxxx, but for all of you too.

On a personal level:

During the Christmas period, a friend of mine with end stage lung disease was taken to hospital by ambulance. When she arrived, she found that xx hospital in xxxxxtown was full and diverting their patients to xxxxxotherhospital. As a result, she spent NINE hours in an ambulance in the car park before she could even get inside the building. The newspapers are not reporting how bad the problems with the NHS are because it's being hushed up. It could be the person closest to you whose life you save, or maybe prevent an existing health problem becoming fatal. If there isn't already a personnel file with employee's health needs and emergency contacts/ info to tell emergency services, please can you do one. Even if an ambulance needs to be called, it can take four hours and people are dying because of the delay.

When xxxxx had his hand accident at work a year or two ago, he was in shock and drove to hospital without me knowing. I was really worried because he didn't return from work at the usual time and (didn't have his mobile phone so I couldn't find out where he was anyway) Probably he "should" have told someone how bad it was, but if the people around him had been aware of accident proceedures and the symptoms of shock, they could have driven him or helped. All sorts of things could have gone wrong on the way. I'm glad he's fine, but obviously some sort of proceedure needs to be in place when someone is injured.

On a business level: Not having trained first aiders is downright dangerous and opens up the risk of serious injury, death and all kinds of other problems, like not being a certified safe working area and more problems, that you can probably imagine. Personally as an employed, I'd be terrified not to have trained first aiders, for all kinds of reasons. I really don't mean to offend anyone, so I hope you will forgive me, but obviously xxxxx is my main concern and if you have already booked one then please disregard what I've said.

Please , please get a first aid course booked asap. If you're too busy or need help sourcing some reasonable ones, I'm happy to help.

Best wishes,

xxxx(myname)

This has been making my blood boil for a long time. The employer is tight with money and goes mad every time they try to book a first aid course because he says it's "too expensive". IDK what to do, but I'm really worried because my husband has a rare lung disease and I don't think they even have files on the employees health needs, emergency contacts or accident proceedures in place. It seems that noone has the time to sort this or the balls to tell the boss it's unacceptable. WTF do I/we do about this??

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PinkSparklyPussyCat · 09/01/2018 12:04

Surely this depends on the level of hazards in the workplace. My DH works in a high hazard environment.

Have you actually look into this or are you guessing? The St John Ambulance website has a health and safety calculator to assess how many fire wardens or first aiders are needed.

www.sja.org.uk/sja/training-courses/requirements-calculators.aspx

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 12:07

Well, I wasn't using any machinery...and was in the office, but in earshot should anything go wrong...

There are no policies on "non employees being on site" any more than there are any first aid ones....

It's interesting to read other's opinions, especially when everyone seems to think I am "wrong". I suppose it's easy to judge if you have a cushy job and a good employer...

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IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 12:09

Yes we have looked into it and determined that there need to be TWO.

Apparently I am wrong, wrong wrong for caring about my husband and should wave him off into a dangerous evnvironment without a care in the world...WOW.

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mirime · 09/01/2018 12:11

If your husband did have an accident, the fact that he had a non-employee on the premises would likely be used against him as an example of how he wasn't following procedure, in order to absolve themselves of any legal or financial responsibility.

Though on the other hand having an accident with someone there to get help could be the difference between life and death.

Blackteadrinker77 · 09/01/2018 12:14

You are not wrong to care.

Your Husband is failing in his duty of care to his employees.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 09/01/2018 12:15

You're not wrong to care but your husband needs to stand up for himself. If a reportable incident occurs the HSE will be all over the company like a rash which could mean him losing his job anyway if the business is shut down. Ultimately the MD would be liable but, as a manager, your husband would have questions to answer as well.

RedDogsBeg · 09/01/2018 12:16

No way on earth would I want an Employer to hold a 'health' file on me. If your husband's workplace is not upholding the laws around Health and Safety he should report them to the relevant body.

Blackteadrinker77 · 09/01/2018 12:17

If there was an accident and the HSE got involved your husband could go to jail.

He is the On site Manager.

k2p2k2tog · 09/01/2018 12:23

If your husband has concerns then HE should raise it. Not you.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 09/01/2018 12:24

No way on earth would I want an Employer to hold a 'health' file on me

Neither would I! We have one for one member of staff but only because he has such severe health issues it's essential that the first aiders know and obviously it's confidential. He volunteered the information so is completely aware of what is held.

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 12:25

Right, thanks for that confirmation Blackteadrinker77. Do you mind me asking where you got that information from? I will pass that on and also my husband will seek advice.

TBH DH has been depressed and not coping too well. Because of the demands of his job, long hours and MIL's needs. This is all why Im trying to help him.

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IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 12:28

Obviously, because of the toll his job takes on his physical and emotional health, and his Mother's needs plus my DF's we have no quality time as a couple or a family. I don't want to see him have a breakdown as apparently his DF did at the same age...I already know he is depressed and am trying to gather facts.

It doesn't really help if people want to point the finger and tell me I'm a busybody (lalalala I'm not listening!!) because I only care about him and finding a better place for our family.

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ShellyBoobs · 09/01/2018 12:29

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PinkSparklyPussyCat · 09/01/2018 12:29

There's a lot of good information on the HSE website, so it would be worth him reading up there. As I said before SJA also have a lot of H & S information.

Blackteadrinker77 · 09/01/2018 12:31

www.hse.gov.uk/legislation/

The buck stops with the Manager unless he can prove he did everything to get the owners to act.
Here are a few links where the Managers have been Jailed.

www.cs-compliance.co.uk/blatant-disregard-for-health-and-safety-law-lands-manager-in-jail/

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/6274826.stm

www.constructionnews.co.uk/best-practice/health-and-safety/manager-jailed-for-two-years-following-fatality/10016234.article

The fact that your husband doesn't realise it is up to him is scary. He should never have been employed as a Manager if he doesn't realise that H&S of the site is on his shoulders.

RB68 · 09/01/2018 12:31

My belief is they are breaking the law in terms of operation of dangerous machinery and also in terms of risk management ie there is a higher risk of injury so they should have more of a responsibility to ensure that in the case of injury there are protocols in place ie shift manager drives him or some other member of staff. But def Ops procedures for machinery should be only run when more than one person on site. Lone working is an issue here because of the increased risk. Also the accident should have been reported and investigated especially if it was say for lack of guards in place or poor practices that caused it

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Els1e · 09/01/2018 12:44

I can understand you worrying about your husband but I’m not sure if having someone with a first aid certificate at his work is going to answer all your concerns. What about both of you talking to his doctor or consultant so you fully understand the risks for your husband at work. Also could your husband give his emergency contact details to a couple of colleagues or carry the information on a card, so that even if the employer does not know, somebody will contact you. I have my emergency contact’s number on my phone under ICE (in case of emergency).

Doubletrouble99 · 09/01/2018 13:31

Since you have opened up and told us that your DH is the site manager this has put a different complexion on it all together.
First of all you are right in wanting the best for your DH and trying to look out for him but there are things you can do to help that don't involve you being at his work place which is an absolute no no and he should know this. I can only imagine that he was working on his own or he wouldn't have suggested it. He really needs to check what the H&S regulations are with this regard because he is responsible.

I think you need to help your DH by insisting he go and see his GP about the amount of stress he is under and his family history of depression. If I were him I would jump at having any meds. to help with this as I have, something I wish I had done years ago.

Is there any more you can do with regard to your MIL to take the pressure off your DH ? That would surely help.

Your DH needs to find out what he is ultimately responsible for and as far as I am aware it is the entire running of the site which will include H & S and work rotas. He then needs to go to the employer and state that this can not carry on. As I stated earlier the insurance for the site is nil and void if proper procedures are not adhered to this includes the really worrying fact that people are working shifts on their own. If anything happened then he is held responsible.

Thursdaydreaming · 09/01/2018 13:35

If you main worry is your husbands lung disease, how would a first aider be able to help? I have done the St john's ambulance first aid training course and you know what? It was mostly just common sense stuff that most people know anyway. Got a small cut? Put a bandaid on it. Feeling faint? Head between knees or raise feet above head. Someone seems really sick? Call an ambulance.

I mean it's fine for what it is, but you are really over stating the usefulness of the course in a serious situation.

cestlavielife · 09/01/2018 14:13

What is the death in service benefit?
If not good then get quotes for life insurance even with pre condition

Also are you working ? So you can cover if he dies? Are you martied for widow s benefit ? Get sone fimancial advicr

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 14:39

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Blackteadrinker77 · 09/01/2018 15:43

You don't need to sort it out, it is YOUR HUSBANDS legal responsibility to do so. You don't need to protect the people that work there, YOUR HUSBAND does.

He should have done all the accident paper work, he should have reported every broken shield with repair costs and said the machines won't be used until fixed, he shouldn't roster himself in alone, he should have the first aid box to standard, he should have every employee trained in H&S from their induction date. He should be checking the emergency lights, the fire alarm, the buck stops with him.

Gazelda · 09/01/2018 16:02

Exactly what Blacktea said.

MustShowDH · 09/01/2018 16:19

Every employee, including the woman on the checkout of your local shop, has a LEGAL RESPOSIBILITY to take REASONABLE CARE FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THEMSELVES AND OTHERS.
If you husband does not then he is breaking the law and could face dismissal.

What are you REALLY hoping to get out of this?

Do you want him to work in a safer environment or are you looking for some kind of proof that his employer is in the wrong and get some compensation for his accident?

Something doesn't sound right.

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