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To feel annoyed that my husband's work place has no trained first aider

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IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 10:47

I wrote a letter that I will not send because I realise it's too long and emotionally charged. It goes like this:

Hi xxxxx, xxxxx and xxxxx

Happy New Year!

At the start of this New Year I wanted to mention First Aid Training. www.savelivesatwork.co.uk/new-regulations because I am concerned mainly for xxxxx, but for all of you too.

On a personal level:

During the Christmas period, a friend of mine with end stage lung disease was taken to hospital by ambulance. When she arrived, she found that xx hospital in xxxxxtown was full and diverting their patients to xxxxxotherhospital. As a result, she spent NINE hours in an ambulance in the car park before she could even get inside the building. The newspapers are not reporting how bad the problems with the NHS are because it's being hushed up. It could be the person closest to you whose life you save, or maybe prevent an existing health problem becoming fatal. If there isn't already a personnel file with employee's health needs and emergency contacts/ info to tell emergency services, please can you do one. Even if an ambulance needs to be called, it can take four hours and people are dying because of the delay.

When xxxxx had his hand accident at work a year or two ago, he was in shock and drove to hospital without me knowing. I was really worried because he didn't return from work at the usual time and (didn't have his mobile phone so I couldn't find out where he was anyway) Probably he "should" have told someone how bad it was, but if the people around him had been aware of accident proceedures and the symptoms of shock, they could have driven him or helped. All sorts of things could have gone wrong on the way. I'm glad he's fine, but obviously some sort of proceedure needs to be in place when someone is injured.

On a business level: Not having trained first aiders is downright dangerous and opens up the risk of serious injury, death and all kinds of other problems, like not being a certified safe working area and more problems, that you can probably imagine. Personally as an employed, I'd be terrified not to have trained first aiders, for all kinds of reasons. I really don't mean to offend anyone, so I hope you will forgive me, but obviously xxxxx is my main concern and if you have already booked one then please disregard what I've said.

Please , please get a first aid course booked asap. If you're too busy or need help sourcing some reasonable ones, I'm happy to help.

Best wishes,

xxxx(myname)

This has been making my blood boil for a long time. The employer is tight with money and goes mad every time they try to book a first aid course because he says it's "too expensive". IDK what to do, but I'm really worried because my husband has a rare lung disease and I don't think they even have files on the employees health needs, emergency contacts or accident proceedures in place. It seems that noone has the time to sort this or the balls to tell the boss it's unacceptable. WTF do I/we do about this??

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Littlecaf · 09/01/2018 11:31

Also is there a Union presence? They have health and safety reps or shop stewards who can help. And if not? Maybe he could set a branch up or join a local one?

(People forget that unions do this too, they think it’s all about striking when it’s also about workplace conditions).

TsunamiOfShit · 09/01/2018 11:35

Speak to your DH, ask him to discuss this with his employer.

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 11:35

Yes he would be prepared to be a first aider and got yelled at when he tried to book a first aid course for him and another employee. They have a safe working certfication for their environment which states that all personnel have completed first aid certification (but they havent!!)

The first aid kid is inadequate, items out of date or non existent. I checked it before xmas (not my job) but made my husband aware of the needs (for his safety) as I'm a trained first aider. Ooh can I really report them to HSE? I don't really want to or they will probably know it's me. I will talk to DH about this and maybe he'll want to have one more go at getting the boss to sort this.

If the :- arsehole- boss still won't stump up the money then I will defo report him.

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Ariela · 09/01/2018 11:36

DO report it:

www.hse.gov.uk/contact/concerns.htm

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 11:36

There is no union. Just a small company with a boss who isn't concerned with the daily running of the company and isn't even in the country, yet holds the purse strings and controls all the decisions.

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specialsubject · 09/01/2018 11:38

so your husband works somewhere unsafe and already has had an accident?

he needs to change jobs before he has another accident. Whistleblowing would also be good. The lung disease is irrelevant.

the only way to change crooks is to stop supporting them.

Blackteadrinker77 · 09/01/2018 11:39

Is there a reason you are so involved in your husbands work?

If my husband walked in to my work and checked the first aid box I'd be fuming. I'm an adult and can deal with my own employment.

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 11:45

The reason I was actually in his work place is that he had to work with machinery alone and I was keeping an eye on him while getting on with some of my own work on my laptop.

Yes, I was curious (and quite nosy) when I spotted the dirty first aid box...but I have no regrets. It was as I expected. My husband didn't know what should be in there and he appreciated me telling him. He has enough to worry about there already and he asked me for help.

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Popchyk · 09/01/2018 11:45

I like the letter that Teen suggested, to come from your husband.

Details the problem and comes up with a solution.

If enough employees put the request in writing, then it might help things along. Even if the company does nothing, at least he knows that he tried to improve things.

Blackteadrinker77 · 09/01/2018 11:47

Your husband had you in an area with machinery?

He could well have committed a gross misconduct offence there.

Doubletrouble99 · 09/01/2018 11:48

Does his boss realise that any insurance he has is invalid if he doesn't have the correct safety percussions in place including fully trained first aiders. Might be worth your DH telling his boss this.

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 11:48

I think my husband will probably write an email to the boss. That way, it's documented too, in case we ever need proof.

For all those who suggested he find another job, it's not as easy as it sounds to (a) find another job in this rare field and (b) to earn as much
Because we have a family, we have little choice here, which is why it's important to get the boss to make some H&S changes.

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Blackteadrinker77 · 09/01/2018 11:49

The employer legally does not have to have a first aider due to the number of employees.

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 11:50

Yep, the insurance is invalid. The boss guy's a tightarsed twerp who only cares about all the money he's earning.

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IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 11:51

Surely this depends on the level of hazards in the workplace. My DH works in a high hazard environment.

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Blackteadrinker77 · 09/01/2018 11:52

How do you know the insurance is invalid?

How have you read it's terms and conditions.

This gets weirder by the minute. Your husband isn't a child. Leave him to sort this out.
The on site Manager is responsible for the first aid box and H&S training.

VimFuego101 · 09/01/2018 11:54

Are you insured to be on the premises if you don't work there? You sound a bit ridiculous TBH, supervising him at work and writing letters on his behalf.

If you have concerns, report them to HSE. I would give some thought to whether this employer is really a good long term bet since if they are this unconcerned about employees safety they are likely flouting other rules too and could find themselves shut down at a moments notice. Even if your husband can't leave right now (understandable if he can't easily match the salary and has a family) it would make sense to have a long term exit plan.

constantchange · 09/01/2018 11:54

I agree with Black. Why can't your husband look after his own business and sort out his own issues? To care for him is one thing but rooting through the first aid box at his work is weird.

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 11:55

Yes I have read the terms and conditions! To be honest, I was bored stupid while he worked on the machines....

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IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 11:57

I'm not "supervising" him at work. It was our weekend and he had to work. If I didn't go to work with him that day I wouldn't have seen him and it would have meant he was working with machines all day alone. What would you have done??
Every couple is different, but he wanted me there otherwise I wouldn't have been there.

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IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 12:00

The onsite manager IS my husband. But he isn't allowed to book first aid courses, the boss says.

I agree, it's a very stupid situation. He's so stressed and asked me to help him sort it out. He has a lot going on with his elderly mum and also work pressures, so if he asks me, then I obviously will try to help him....would you not help you DH if he was struggling??

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Blackteadrinker77 · 09/01/2018 12:01

His employer has to have legally done a risk assessment under the H&S 1981 guidelines. This can be electronic. It is to be repeated every 2 years on a small site. This can be done remotely without going to the premises.
They will have to have and maintain a first aid box and an accident book. The on site Manager is responsible for this.
They have to have given all employees safety training which is done during induction stage. This can be as basic as there is the off button.

Due to the number of employees, he does not have to have a first aider or a first aid room.

IndigoMoonFlower · 09/01/2018 12:01

As I have already said, the boss is a penny pinching miser who doesn't care about the employees and isn't living in this country.

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VimFuego101 · 09/01/2018 12:01

What would I have done? Realized that it wasn't appropriate for me to tag along to a workplace where I am not employed and there's a lot of specialist machinery that I'm not properly trained to use. If your husband did have an accident, the fact that he had a non-employee on the premises would likely be used against him as an example of how he wasn't following procedure, in order to absolve themselves of any legal or financial responsibility.

Blackteadrinker77 · 09/01/2018 12:02

Then your husband needs sacked as he has failed to maintain the first aid box and training.

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