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He is the very model of a Very Stable Genius: Trump cont

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PerkingFaintly · 08/01/2018 23:23

We rushed out of the last thread without even a pocket handkerchief: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a3124599-Trump-2018-Resistance-is-Never-Futile

So here's a new one, with its own

I am the very model of a Very Stable Genius.
I have a mighty button and no problems with my penius.
I have no time for television, golf or social media
Since my brain is way way better than the best encyclopedia.

I'm cutting tax, I'll build a wall, I'll take away their medicare
You can trust me 'cos I'm orange and I have the most amazing hair.
So with my total ignorance of matters heterogeneous
I am the very model of a Very Stable Genius!

Compared to other leaders, my behavior's quite unusual
My twisted tweets and pissed-on sheets have managed to amuse you all
I have to drink two-handed 'cause my fingers are the teeniest
I need a sippy-cup with the inscription "Stable Genius."

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2018 18:37

Alexandra Erin‏
@alexandraerin

So, this DACA reversal that's been in the news.

This really should be the end of the myth of "Trump the Negotiator", because what this really is showing us is the nature and limits of Trump's ability to make deals.

The truth is, Trump is a terrible negotiator. His dealmaking "prowess" consists of getting other people to agree to things in good faith while he himself is negotiating in bad faith.

Get people to sign, get people to buy in, get people invested... and by the time they realize you're not coming through, they're already in up to their necks with you and they realize if they don't bail you out, they're the ones who drown.

That's the Trump way.

Trump dealt with smaller players by buying goods and services on credit and then refusing to pay, dragging them through courts until they were willing to cut their losses. He dealt with larger players (banks he owed money to) by making it clear he didn't care if he went bankrupt.

A typical Trump deal involves him agreeing to whatever, then ignoring the terms of the agreement and expecting the other party to stay committed and figure out how to make it work.

Which is exactly what happened to Durbin and Graham.

They came to him with a deal, they laid it out, he agreed to it, everybody agreed. As far as everyone involved was concerned, they had a deal.

In the business world, this is when the contract would have been signed.

In the legislative world, that doesn't happen.

So while Durbin is flabbergasted that Trump went back on their deal, Trump, I am quite sure, is angry and confused that Durbin and Graham aren't abiding by it. Because from his point of view, that's what's happening. They're the ones backing out.

In the looking glass-logic of Trumpworld, "negotiation" is what happens after you agree to a deal. The deal is just what gets people on board with you. Then you squeeze them until you get what you want.

There is more going on than just this, of course. (There's always more than one thing going on.) I find the reports that Miller and Kelly were alarmed that Trump agreeing to the bipartisan deal would burn the base to be quite credible.

(And another reminder: KELLY IS NO HERO.)

John Kelly saw the bipartisan deal as the destruction of his legacy at DHS. If you followed me when he was the secretary there, you might recall that I said then he was the most dangerous and effective man in the regime.

I don't know everything that John Kelly believes in his secret innermost heart of hearts but I do know that he quietly and efficiently enacted the most pointed and effective white nationalist policies of the Trump regime while at DHS.

Trump's vitriolic anger at the meeting was in large part because he was the unaccustomed target of anger from his aides who were afraid Trump would give away the farm, committing the White House to a course that undermines their agenda and alienates the base.

(Good news: Trump's top aides think his base can be lost.

Bad news: It would require a pivot towards humanity.)

Trump is the proverbial old dog. He knows what he knows. He has a set of tricks that served him well throughout his life. Not always great in the long run, but well enough to keep him skidding from one adventure to another. He doesn't have much room to adjust to a new reality.

So he makes missteps in his dealings with Congress, again and again, on the basis of not fully internalizing that "deals" he makes aren't "done" until he's signing a bill into law, at which point it's far too late to negotiate.

The thing that worries me is that, as he continues to keep trying to do things his way as though the process is the problem, I find it very likely that his aides and his allies in Congress will try to find ways to "fix" the process to be more to his liking. Bend protocols.

Bend protocols, stretch norms, ignore political niceties (and rules, and laws), at first in small and then in larger ways.

"We have to make allowances for the president's unique way of working."

"The American people elected him to do things a certain way and we respect that."

If Trump is allowed to serve for a full eight years (don't tell me it can't happen; the belief that it can't is his biggest shield heading to 2020), I shudder to think what our legislative process will look like by then. Fill in the blank bills?

Laws that refer to executive orders that have yet to be written when they're passed? Vague, sweeping laws that simply empower the president to "decide and enact a policy that will make America great"?

We're sliding towards dictatorship not because Trump showed up in an iron mask cackling about how he'll show those fools, all of them, but because serious people in serious positions keep deciding it's easier to just sort of humor him than to expect him to wise up or step down.

Every day in several ways, without it being stated as such, we're being asked to excuse everything from his nuclear tweeting to his hours of "Executive Time" to these legislative farces with a shrug and "You have to make allowances, it's Trump."

The reality is that these are all reasons he should step down, should not have won, should not have run, but Trump The Dealmaker has figured out one of the great magical things in life, which is: other people wanting you gone is leverage you wield.

There is not a store in the world that would rather call the cops and drag you out kicking and screaming than have you quietly fold your tent when you're quietly told, "Sir, I think you should leave."

Most people will leave before it gets to that point, out of awkwardness or a sense of decency or fear of greater consequences if they escalate things.

Not Trump.

Trump will resign the presidency only if it appears to be a better deal than keeping it. He won't quit early for his family's sake. He won't quit early for the good of the nation, to spare us the pain of a long legal process. That pain is his weapon to wield.

And since the GOP will find it easier to accommodate him than dislodge him, they will accommodate him. More and more, the longer he's in office.

Which is part of why the blue wave is essential. We have to sweep the midterms.

And this is where the thread ends, because I've run out of steam for a bit. If you get anything from my work, you can help me keep it going.

www.paypal.me/alexandraerin

PerkingFaintly · 17/01/2018 18:41

Unhappily, I think Alexandra Erin is bang on the money with that.

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PerkingFaintly · 17/01/2018 18:46

I have a highly manipulative family member, and the above is very, very familiar.

People enable her because at every moment it seems easier than standing up to her and dealing with the tantrum and subsequent smear campaign. And after all, she's nice/amusing/delivering what they want at the times in between, isn't she?

After a while, her reality becomes their reality. Life's just smoother that way.Sad

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2018 19:05

There’s many a mumsnet thread along those veins perking. I find it absolutely galling that he’s been rewarded with a presidency and not run smack bang into reality.

badbadhusky · 17/01/2018 19:07

Page 37! badbadhusky, start planning your new thread now!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2018 19:15

Terrorist attack to boost his approval or nuclear strike?

Exclusive: Trump says Russia helping North Korea skirt sanctions; Pyongyang getting close on missile

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-exclusive/exclusive-trump-says-russia-helping-north-korea-skirt-sanctions-pyongyang-getting-close-on-missile-idUSKBN1F62KO

badbadhusky · 17/01/2018 19:37

My thread is ready in draft form. All we need is another page of comments so I don’t feel like I’ve shot my load too soon, to use an icky, inappropriate metaphor.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2018 19:47

Swedes told how to prepare for war as Russia fears grow

amp.ft.com/content/2036e176-fad6-11e7-9b32-d7d59aace167?__twitter_impression=true

(An excerpt)

Sweden is preparing to send a brochure to 4.7m households warning them for the first time in more than half a century of what they should do in the event of a war.

The booklet will deal with issues such as how members of the public can take part in “total defence” during a war and how to secure basic needs such as water, food and heating. It will also cover other threats such as cyber attacks, terrorism and climate change.

Its publication comes as debate intensifies in Sweden about defence and security issues, the threat from Russia and whether the country should join Nato.

lionheart · 17/01/2018 19:53

Glad you are ready bad.

But heaven forfend. Shock

'InTouch to Drop 5,000 Words From Stormy Daniels on Sex With Trump.'

'According to a magazine source, the transcript contains details of "w]hat he’s like in bed, pillow talk, she talks about what he’s like down there..."'

www.thedailybeast.com/intouch-to-drop-5000-words-from-stormy-daniels-on-sex-with-trump?ref=author

badbadhusky · 17/01/2018 19:57

'InTouch to Drop 5,000 Words From Stormy Daniels on Sex With Trump.'

MN really needs a lemonface emoji for posts like this. Or a vomming one.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2018 19:57

Lindsey Graham is the first GOP senator to come out against the Republican bill to avoid a shutdown — throwing the fight into flux

amp.businessinsider.com/lindsey-graham-no-vote-on-gop-shutdown-funding-bill-over-daca-defense-2018-1?__twitter_impression=true

lionheart · 17/01/2018 19:59

Moving swiftly on ...

'Steve Bannon made one conspicuous slip up in his closed-door hearing on Tuesday with the House Intelligence Committee, according to four sources with direct knowledge of the confidential proceedings. Bannon admitted that he'd had conversations with Reince Priebus, Sean Spicer and legal spokesman Mark Corallo about Don Junior's infamous meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower in June 2016.'

www.axios.com/steve-bannon-congress-testimony-inside-room-e30bd797-3720-44f0-bf32-5760cb6882e9.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic

lionheart · 17/01/2018 20:01

I was just thinking the same thing bad.

badbadhusky · 17/01/2018 20:01

Actually, does the “sex with adult movie stars” give Melania an escape hatch? I hope so. That link above says he had unprotected sex with Stormy Daniels when Barron was just 4 months old. That’s all kinds of grim. I do feel sorry for Melania. It may be gilded, but its still a cage.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2018 20:01

"Bannon admitted that he'd had conversations with Priebus, Spicer and legal spokesman Mark Corallo about Don Jr's infamous mtg w/ the Russians in Trump Tower in June 2016." @axios:

Inside the room: What Steve Bannon told Congress yesterday

www.axios.com/steve-bannon-congress-testimony-inside-room-e30bd797-3720-44f0-bf32-5760cb6882e9.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic

lionheart · 17/01/2018 20:03

This.

He is the very model of a Very Stable Genius: Trump cont
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2018 20:05

Whoops xpost.

Gabriel Debenedetti
@gdebenedetti
The RNC is now going after Sen Booker — "Derogatory Cory" — for his questioning of Sec Nielsen yesterday, accusing him in a new release of "mansplaining." The release ends: "Nevertheless, she persisted."

lionheart · 17/01/2018 20:13

Wow.

PerkingFaintly · 17/01/2018 20:37

Now that doesn't surprise me at all, because on the Cory video link above, the first comment I saw was along the lines of "And you're happy for a man to treat a woman like that?"

It's like the Right have learned some words from the current campaigns for women's rights, and think "Ohh, we'll have those," without caring what the sentences mean and whether they fit. There was a woman present, so same thing, yeah?

In fact, they always do this.

It's the Kellyanne move, if you like. Pick a couple of words or a phrase and just repeat it in different (and meaningless) context.

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Natsku · 17/01/2018 20:41

Swedes told how to prepare for war as Russia fears grow

Well that's a bit worrying!

badbadhusky · 17/01/2018 20:45

Very!

lionheart · 17/01/2018 20:46

Yes, it is a Conway thing. A failure to contextualise.

This works well though.

www.newsweek.com/visit-shithole-zambia-trumps-comments-inspire-tourism-ad-782047?utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

PerkingFaintly · 17/01/2018 20:48

And googling "Cory Booker" right now brings up headlines from right-leaning media pushing the message that Cory was being mean to a woman, and that the left are being hypocritical for not condemning this.

Because you know, there were a man and a woman present, so all other details - like what was actually said - don't matter.

Ideal tactic when you're desperate for people not to notice, um, what was actually said...

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badbadhusky · 17/01/2018 20:50

That Zambian tourism spoof has reminded of all the “xx second” videos that Trump’s blowhard rhetoric spawned. Such innocent times in hindsight!

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