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He raped 100 women, was jailed for life in 2009 and is about to be released on parole

355 replies

Unfinishedkitchen · 04/01/2018 16:25

AIBU to believe raping 100 women is worth more than nine years in jail?

www.theguardian.com/law/2018/jan/04/black-cab-rapist-john-worboys-released-prison

OP posts:
BitOutOfPractice · 05/01/2018 09:57

I'm always amazed that there aren't more attacks by victims and / or their families against criminals who either get off or too lightly. I rarely hear it reported anyway.

ohfortuna · 05/01/2018 10:05

Whilst I am appalled that this man has been released I'm not advocating vigilantism

BitOutOfPractice · 05/01/2018 10:09

Neither am I. Just saying that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often

ohfortuna · 05/01/2018 10:10

@Bitout, yes I totally agree with you

Justbreathing · 05/01/2018 10:20

keir starmer is my MP
is there anything I can do.

Also, can they not revisit any of the previously prosecuted cases?
I understand why he's been let out, but lots of people who are in prison are subsequently prosecuted for further offences. I find it very strange that out of a 100 more, there was literally not enough evidence in any of them to prosecute.

Justbreathing · 05/01/2018 10:21

sorry previously unprosecuted cases

BoreOfWhabylon · 05/01/2018 10:31

BBC Radio 4 covered this on 'Today' around 0830 am and on Woman's Hour 10am.

Both well worth a listen on iplayer.

peanut2017 · 05/01/2018 10:37

Talking about case now on this morning

whiskyowl · 05/01/2018 10:40

I don't understand why he has only been charged and prosecuted for a small number of the offences he allegedly committed. Why, when more victims came forward, was he not tried again and his sentence increased? To argue that the rape of one woman somehow "covers" the rape of another seems to me disrespectful in the extreme towards the second victim.

Ereshkigal · 05/01/2018 10:47

Prh, could Worboys technically be tried for the other offences?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/01/2018 10:51

@whiskyowl which is why people are asking questions of the police, Starmer, Attorney General I think as they have just discussed on This Morning

BitOutOfPractice · 05/01/2018 10:52

Whiskyowl someone said earlier in the thread how difficult it is to secure a conviction in cases like this where victims have been drugged because obviously they often can't remember exactly what happened. It's a horrible horrible thought isn't it? Sad

BitOutOfPractice · 05/01/2018 10:53

Yes, that's on top of police incompetence / massive flaws in the criminal justice system / lack of seriousness attached to crimes against women etc which have also been discussed on this thread

PricklyBall · 05/01/2018 10:59

WitchesHatRim - I'm sorry. I misunderstood your posts, and reacted mistakenly thinking you were trying to derail. Very sorry to hear you have been a victim of sexual assault.

Postagestamppat · 05/01/2018 11:12

I wonder whether this is actually more to do with the huge problems in jails at the moment. Are other offenders being paroled earlier than expected?

MN disclaimer: Less anyone assume otherwise, I think it is disgusting that he is being let out.

LineysRunes · 05/01/2018 11:16

Vera Baird QC on BBC just now suggests it might be possible for judicial review of parole board's decision to be brought on behalf of one of the two women who were not contacted by the parole board. She says the parole board must contact all victims prior to making its decision, and in this case it didn't.

One of the women has the awesome Harriet Wistrich as her solicitor.

mrsglowglow · 05/01/2018 11:34

Postagestamppat, Yes I believe so! Like our NHS the prison system is buckling and cannot cope. Early release is happening and has been for some time. Would be interesting to see the statistics as to whether these criminals go on to re offend. Petty crimes ie shoplifting below a certain amount are no longer even considered a crime and will not be prosecuted. Not something the retail world want the general public to know as it's giving a green light to just help yourselves. shoplifting is one thing but for sexual offences you would think tougher sentences would be maintained. It's like others have said we can see how little value is placed on Women's safety.

Ereshkigal · 05/01/2018 11:40

That's really interesting if Vera Baird said that.

NewspaperTaxis · 05/01/2018 11:42

I do tend to put this in the context of 'the Establishment' making a bit of a point. It's like the black youths being murdered in police custody and nobody ever being brought to book, and indeed it was police negligence that led this man to continue raping as long as he did - and what a surprise, nobody sacked because of it. In fact, what they tend to do is promote the wrongdoer, as a kind of two-fingered salute to society.

Never thought I'd post this on any site, but recent front-page story by The Guardian on New Year's Day about freemasonry in the police - and I thought the only seasonal throwbacks to the 70s were Slade, Boney M and Morecambe & Wise repeats!

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/31/freemasons-blocking-reform-police-federation-leader

Certainly it appears sections of the police and local authorities enjoy a kind of quasi-masonic status, even if they aren't actually signed up to the funny handshake/apron rigmarole.

LauraMipsum · 05/01/2018 11:46

The trouble with judicial review is it can be an expensive way to win a hollow victory. The High Court can't order that he stays in prison, they can only quash the decision of the parole board, who will then re-make it properly, taking into account the evidence they should have done.

As someone who does an awful lot of judicial review work, my bet would then be on them making the exact same decision but with a single extra paragraph saying "we have taken into account the evidence of Ms A and Ms B..."

Callmesausage · 05/01/2018 11:50

Didn’t he actually commit a further assault while he was on bail? I heard this on the radio yesterday but can’t find anything to confirm it.

LipstickHandbagCoffee · 05/01/2018 11:55

Heard on news this morning

It’s impor To be factually correct he was found guilty on 19 charges of drugging and sexually assaulting 12 women, in one case raping his victim

The thing is he was only charged and convicted with one rape offence,hence that’s what parole board are reviewing. the time served for the charges inc the of one rape

During trial and subsequently after numerous women came forward about this ghastly man

It’s police and CPS who present charges
Sir Keir Starmer was CPS at time

Worboys a predator and multiple rapist, but only one rape conviction that’s the issue

username7979 · 05/01/2018 11:55

I don't think 1 year per woman would be unreasonable

LipstickHandbagCoffee · 05/01/2018 12:06

The parole board have made a recommendation it can be rejected by Amber Rudd
The systemic failings in how the women Worboys raped and atacked were treated runs deep . women reported the rapes and met didn’t believe them, Post trial there were recommendations and practice changes in how met process rape and sexual assault charges and treat the people who come forward forward

WhatWot · 05/01/2018 12:08

Personally I believe in death penalty. You do 3 serious offences and you are permanently out. Fuck human rights if you never respect other peoples'.

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