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He raped 100 women, was jailed for life in 2009 and is about to be released on parole

355 replies

Unfinishedkitchen · 04/01/2018 16:25

AIBU to believe raping 100 women is worth more than nine years in jail?

www.theguardian.com/law/2018/jan/04/black-cab-rapist-john-worboys-released-prison

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squoosh · 06/01/2018 23:20

I'd imagine cost is why he was only charged with the 12 attacks. There's no way they could afford the ££ or the time to try him with 100+ rapes. But obviously that is now problematic as if he had been charged with all the rapes that the police believe him to be guilty of there's no way he'd be given such an early release date.

Grunkalunka · 07/01/2018 12:40

I read that the CPS decided not to go ahead with prosecuting Warboys for further crimes that came to light during and after the trial as he had been given "an indeterminate life sentence"which they assumed meant he would be locked up for a very long time. So, what I don't understand is how 8 years was set as the minimum tarriff Warboys needed to serve, at what stage and by whom? Why was it not challenged/reported on?

prh47bridge · 07/01/2018 13:26

This kind of sentence no longer exists. However, as for life sentences, the minimum tariff is set by the judge during sentencing. It was not challenged because an 8 year tariff represents a 16 year sentence (an offender sentenced to more than 2 years will normally serve half their sentence in prison and the rest on licence in the community) and, given that he was only convicted of one rape, some sexual assaults and some drugging offences, it was not unduly lenient against the sentencing guidelines as they stood at the time.

If he had been convicted of anything like the number of rapes he is alleged to have committed the tariff would have been much higher.

I note that Theresa May knows one of his victims and that she is talking about reviewing the system in light of this case to bring greater openness. That, at least, is potentially one good thing to come out of this case.

By the way, I agree with MrsHathaway - "I would support a campaign that asked the authorities to prosecute him for the outstanding charges, to support his (currently legally alleged) victims during the new court process, etc." The big question, to which I don't know the answer, is whether there is actually enough evidence to convict him of further rapes.

Dozer · 07/01/2018 15:55

The PM was on (andre marr) and, though promising a review of the parole board decision, seemed to focus on his victims not having been informed he was being released.

Missed the other, even more important points. Eg numerous cases not being prosecuted, ridiculously short length of sentence.

Dozer · 07/01/2018 15:57

Yes, the CPS has Qs to answer too.

sashh · 08/01/2018 05:38

I hope he is not given a female parole officer.

Anyhope · 09/01/2018 00:11

Yeh outrageous. If anyone is on twitter/London follow Ldn commissioner & Sadiq Khan they are fuming too. I am too scared to go out & scared for D. You can’t trust police, ss, school, no one. No hope

Anyhope · 09/01/2018 00:59

Bet there are loads more like him. With cuts, crimes police.. had mares myself. I don’t trust cabs at all last cabbie said looking for a virgin. Gave me the creeps. Not with that and peadophile rings everywhere. Omg absolute nightmare.

WitchesHatRim · 09/01/2018 07:45

I am too scared to go out

With all due respect, if that really is the case then please see your GP.

Anyhope · 10/01/2018 00:36

Piglet will try & upload article but Guardian re Freemasons last year. My exp not great.

Witches I thought you are a survivor as well. bit of empathy.

When has a Gp been a Gp not in my book. How many dodgy ones.

Am not going to give too much re me but Gp no help. Need Woman’s service. Am wfh so that helps. I do go out a little but trying to get support on here, sm & in real life. As seen Wourboys victim moved 2 continents.

Anyhope · 10/01/2018 00:37

meant to say when has a Gp been a panacea not in my book.

rosepoet · 11/01/2018 13:29

So true!

bonbonours · 11/01/2018 22:54

The fact that they reckon he probably assaulted and or raped so many others means it is a police issue in that they haven't found evidence to charge him with more of them, and also a CPS issue, as there were probably other counts which got dropped and not proceeded with.

However the parole board who released him are most to blame.

KylieMinoguesHotPants · 15/01/2018 00:20

As a victim myself (not this man) I can say that something like this happening to you stays with you for the rest of your life. It has affected all my relationships and I think about it every day even though it happened a very long time ago. My perpetrators got away with it because I didn't report it, I was very young and confused at the time. I still have felt like I want revenge. This man should have been given life in my opinion, because most if not all of his victims will have issues for life.

LadyinCement · 16/01/2018 14:33

Just been reading that his legal team employed a psychiatrist known for her (yes, that's right her ) lenient views on sex offenders, and that the parole board gave too much weight to this woman's paid testimony.

Pengggwn · 16/01/2018 14:45

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Reddlion · 16/01/2018 20:19

because it's not s financial crime or something that hurt the government
absolutly disgusting

prh47bridge · 16/01/2018 20:51

No, nothing to do with it not being a financial crime or something that hurt the government. Everything to do with the fact that, partly due to police incompetence, there was only enough evidence to convict him of one rape and various other charges.

Of the 14 women who gave evidence against him, 5 were definitely not raped. One definitely was raped. Some of the others were probably raped but they had no recollection of being raped and there was not enough forensic evidence to prove rape.

If we decided criminal cases on the balance of probabilities he would almost certainly have been charged with and convicted of more rapes. However, the standard is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecution, having looked at the evidence gathered by the police, decided they could only achieve that standard for one of the possible rape charges.

Based on reports of the evidence given at the original trial I think they were right. However, if my understanding of the IPCC report is correct, at least two more could have been proved if the police had done their job.

ChalktheSun · 17/01/2018 16:36

He should be rearrested and charged with some of the other 81 crimes he committed!

prh47bridge · 17/01/2018 17:13

Unfortunately both the CPS and the Met say that there is not enough evidence to proceed on any of the other possible charges. They will only press charges if new evidence emerges.

Jigglytuff · 19/01/2018 11:54

There will be no judicial review - just announced

Jigglytuff · 19/01/2018 11:56

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42747687 Can I remind people about the crowdfunding efforts of the victims to mount a challenge

Luckydip1 · 23/01/2018 06:58

I would rather get an uber than a black cab, much safer.

prh47bridge · 24/01/2018 13:30

I would rather get an uber than a black cab, much safer.

No they aren't. Sexual offences by black cab drivers are vanishingly rare. They are almost exclusively committed by private hire or unlicensed drivers. Around half of drivers convicted work for Uber, although that may in part be because it is easier to secure a conviction if the ride is booked through an app as that provides proof of the driver's movements.

Looking at the latest news, it is good to see Worboys might be charged with another offence. However, if, as reported, it is a sexual assault it will probably only lead to him going back inside for a few years.

I also see that two newspapers are threatening a judicial review over the Parole Board's refusal to release the reasons for their decision. I don't rate their chances. A judicial review will only overrule a decision if the wrong process has been followed or the decision is Wednesbury unreasonable (which basically means irrational). The relevant legislation prohibits the Parole Board from disclosing the reasons for their decision or the evidence considered. So in essence the newspapers would be asking the court to say that the Parole Board must break the law. Unlikely.

Kursk · 24/01/2018 13:34

Given the publicity and the hatred towards him, I suspect that mob justice will prevail down some dark ally soon after he is released.

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