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He raped 100 women, was jailed for life in 2009 and is about to be released on parole

355 replies

Unfinishedkitchen · 04/01/2018 16:25

AIBU to believe raping 100 women is worth more than nine years in jail?

www.theguardian.com/law/2018/jan/04/black-cab-rapist-john-worboys-released-prison

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BubblesBuddy · 05/01/2018 17:44

It was actually Baroness Scotland as Atourney General at the time who could have appealed the sentence. She didn’t. The sentence was within the guidelines at the time for the conviction which was not 100s of roses. Release is dependent upon him satisfying the parole board. Other allegations against him could be investigated.

Dozer · 05/01/2018 20:48

The Times reports that MPs are asking questions about the Parole Board’s decision. But what about the rest of the matters as PPs mention?

Reports too of another man who had murdered two of his previous partners and had conditions banning him from relationships, supposed monitoring, but had a 15 year relationship and killed his DP, again.

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 05/01/2018 21:21

prh47

Quick question - so is there anything that members of the public can do to keep him off the streets?

SomeOldFogey · 05/01/2018 21:28

Haven't rtft, apologies if this has been put up already, but there is a petition to reverse the parole board's decision

www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-reverse-the-parole-board-s-decision-to-free-the-black-cab-rapist-john-worboys

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/01/2018 21:31

Haven't rtft, apologies if this has been put up already, but there is a petition to reverse the parole board's decision

Others have said however, that it isn't possible and the petition will make no difference.

SomeOldFogey · 05/01/2018 21:36

Well, at least it would demonstrate a strength of opinion.

We urgently need some kind of change in relation to the way violence against women is viewed in this worthless country.

CuntyChoppyChops · 05/01/2018 21:36

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prh47bridge · 05/01/2018 21:42

I meant the panel that made the decision. It was 3 people, headed by a woman

Thank you. That makes sense.

so is there anything that members of the public can do to keep him off the streets

From everything I've seen to date the application for judicial review by a couple of victims is the best chance of achieving that result but I think it is a long shot. A better approach would be if some of the victims for offences that have not been prosecuted get together and bring a private prosecution, but even that is not certain as it depends on whether a judge thinks he can get a fair trial and on the strength of the evidence. If any of the victims does take this approach people could help by crowd funding them.

As politicians can't interfere in parole board decisions I can't think of any other approaches that would work. There may, of course, be an approach I haven't thought of.

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 05/01/2018 21:48

Thanks prh.

Is this the two victims who should have been informed but weren’t?

PricklyBall · 05/01/2018 21:51

Cunty - hugs. That must be terrifying for you, and beyond terrible for your relative.

NewYear2019 · 05/01/2018 21:52

This doesn't surprise me. Women and children don't matter it seems. Look at John Venables who has been given far too many chances and still offends. Sad

prh47bridge · 05/01/2018 21:54

If he'd raped even two men, never mind a hundred, I bet he wouldn't be out after 9 years

If he had been convicted of 100 rapes he wouldn't be out after 9 years. He hasn't. The prosecution were only able to prove one rape.

prh47bridge · 05/01/2018 21:56

Pressed send too early...

The prosecution were only able to prove one rape plus a number of other, less serious offences (as in less serious than rape - sexual assault is still a serious offence).

prh47bridge · 05/01/2018 21:56

Pressed send too early...

The prosecution were only able to prove one rape plus a number of other, less serious offences (as in less serious than rape - sexual assault is still a serious offence).

Balearica · 05/01/2018 21:56

The CPS could bring charges against him for the rapes which were not prosecuted previously. This is the best chance of him going back to prison and TBH I think they have a duty to do so. I'd like to see a press campaign for this as the parole board decision appears to be unsustainable.

prh47bridge · 05/01/2018 21:57

Is this the two victims who should have been informed but weren’t

That's the one.

prh47bridge · 05/01/2018 21:59

The CPS could bring charges against him for the rapes which were not prosecuted previously. This is the best chance of him going back to prison

Agreed but we can't force the CPS to do that. We can campaign but there is no guarantee of the result.

GintyM · 05/01/2018 22:07

If you get a chance, read explanation of legal process by @BarristerSecret , it’s very insightful. The talk through of it helps, the morality of the decision is still flabbergasting though

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 05/01/2018 22:08

*Is this the two victims who should have been informed but weren’t

That's the one.*

So assuming the decision is put aside because it is unlawful(?), wrong(?), outside guidelines(?) to not contact all victims then would it go back to the same board or a different one?

Either way presumably the hope is that by signing the petition etc that the parole board will decide that actually the info from the other two women is very important and maybe he is still dangerous after all....

LipstickHandbagCoffee · 05/01/2018 22:09

prh47bridgw thank you for the informative posts it’s really interesting reading

cuntychoppychops want to acknowledge your post,and it must be so hard for you and your family member. I wish you both well at such difficult time

Eltonjohnssyrup · 05/01/2018 22:23

prh47bridge

Re the dropped charges - this Guardian article makes it clearer. 3 women's cases passed the evidential test to secure convictions but were dropped because there were sufficient counts “to enable the judge to impose an appropriate sentence”.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/05/john-worboys-release-distressing-for-victims-says-parole-board-chair

The only grounds I could find for reopening them in the 'full code test' is:

cases where a new look at the original decision shows that it was wrong and, in order to maintain confidence in the criminal justice system, a prosecution should be brought despite the earlier decision;

Which is presumably what these victims are intending to do. But isn't that a long process and couldn't he argue that it doesn't meet the criteria for recharging him because of double jeopardy?

Cloudiness88 · 05/01/2018 22:40

Haven’t read the full thread but just as a general point , would it help if everyone emails their MP?

Msqueen33 · 05/01/2018 22:41

I’m frightened and disgusted by the world my three girls will grow up in. Women are seen as the lesser of the two, there’s still very little equality. Yet we have the power to stop reproduction. This is hideous that a vile piece of scum has been released. Prisoners human rights are harked on about yet what about the rights of the victims. We go too easy. I don’t believe you should have to take the law into your own hands but what do you do if the law doesn’t protect you?