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Why do some people never reciprocate hospitality?

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FrancinePefco · 02/01/2018 07:55

For more than 10 years now, we host drinks for neighbours and local friends during the Christmas holidays. We also regularly have a summer drinks/bbq. Quite a few of our guests have therefore enjoyed our hospitality (including food and lots of drink) at least once or twice a year for a decade or so but they have have never once invited us to anything - not even for a "Come in. Would you like a cuppa?" when we have had to e.g. drop children off at their houses.

I don't think it can be BO or bad breath because they obviously don't mind being around us (as long as it's at our house). In fact, this year we decided not to Christmas drinks and apparently several people were asking around if they had missed an invite.

I wouldn't feel comfortable just asking "Hey, how come you never invite us round to yours?". So I thought I would check with strangers on the Internet firstSad

OP posts:
Roussette · 04/01/2018 09:16

littlebird and what you are doing re your DCs is so much the right thing. Mine who live elsewhere, regularly have friends round, people sat all over the floor tucking into a chilli, they are always doing this because I'd like to think they see how much fun it is from me having done it.

I will say, I am making it soun effortless, it really is NOT. I get a bit bad tempered before the Do, a bit stressed, etc but it's momentary and once people arrive, I just honestly don't care. Enjoy yourselves, don't enjoy yourselves, up to you kind of mindset. However, I cannot do it if I don't prepare a lot. I start preparation weeks before, bit by bit, but that's just my way.

I'm sure it isn't easy LittleB, but I do think the more you do it, the easier it is. I have disasters but mostly now don't forget things, it's a bit thrown together but sort of comes together on the day somehow.

One of my friends have hosted a big summer BBQ party for the last few years. The didn’t do it this year for various reasons and so many people in our group were all like “what a shame, it was such a good way to all get together, now we won’t all see each other” THEN WHH DONT YOU ORGANISE SOMETHING THEN!?

OMG. This could be me posting. One of my acquaintances who is a neighbour was whinging about how much fun it used to be here, how many fun dos there was, how many get togethers and why wasn't it like that now? Errrr... because I have taken a bit of a step back, why don't you do it yourself?! When this convo happens again (which it will) I am going to be more forceful.

littlebird55 · 04/01/2018 09:16

Taff

That would hurt me too. And over a period of time I would drop them unless they were able to be more open about their reasons for not initiating any get togethers of any kind. I suspect many friends are lost this way. Lack of communication or inability to talk about the deeper meanings.

That said some probably just fall into the can't be bothered, and there is no backstory apart from laziness.....

You and Rou are clearly fabulous friends and hosts, and almost certainly well regarded and loved amongst your friends. You are the kind of people that make life worth living....don't change just cull quietly and carefully so you do not feel you are being taken advantage of.

littlebird55 · 04/01/2018 09:20

Lynette

No need for expensive catering. Ask everyone to bring a plate of something and a bottle of wine. In my experience everyone is very happy to do this. They are the best dinners by far. Trying all the dishes and different wines makes for a great evening.

All you provide is the place to be together and nothing more.

Roussette · 04/01/2018 09:23

Well truth is littlebird I don't want to stop entertaining. To stop because of a couple of CFers is just not fair, because on the whole I do enjoy it. When I say to my DH 'that's IT. I'm not doing any more dos, I've had enough'.

He says 'that won't last, I'll give it till summer!'.

littlebird55 · 04/01/2018 09:36

Rou

I give you until Easter, dh is being hopeful for a few months off!! :)

wakemeupbefore · 04/01/2018 09:38

To summarise, we have 2 types of non-reciprocators:

  1. the ones who can't - for various valid reasons

  2. the ones who won't - either they can't be bothered with the faff/expense to entertain at all or they just 'don't like you enough', meaning, they will entertain others whom they believe more 'worthy', either as more amusing/entertaining guests or as ones with more social cache/social climbing opportunities, more beneficial to them for business etc. Or they think you as good enough for a free night out when nothing better to do and ones whom it's fine to sponge off from from time to time but whom they wouldn't have in their house.

The first lot are valued as guests and always welcome.

The second lot will have a special circle in hell reserved for them. A particularly nasty circle.

littlebird55 · 04/01/2018 09:41

So I told you I have only just in the last few years forced myself to start doing these things, for the last few years I have organised a little christmas eve drinks thing with just a few local families. One family have accepted every year, and then not turned up?

I have been sent some lame reason each year by email two hours after it started.

Please someone tell me why you would do this???

Given I have put myself out there, silently agonised, cleaned the house to an inch of its life, spent days organising the drinks and food and decorations. Why do this three years in a row?

What do I do next year? They live opposite so no hiding any soiree of any kind.

(sorry to use your thread to post this, but as we have so many great hosts in one place it was too good an opportunity)

CeliaHoover · 04/01/2018 09:42

Littlebirds
The other reason is also I know I will lose my treasured and much loved friends eventually if I do not learn how to do this...if I do not bite the bullet. Eventually they will get fed up (as I would)

Good for you. Do not put yourself under pressure to be perfect or try to impress. Admit your nerves to your guests. You will be amazed at how much support and gratitude they will give you I return.

As mentioned earlier - our first "dinner party" (impromptu) after the birth of my DS was in a two up, two down terrace house sharing meal for two between four us (M&S pie, oven chips and frozen peas). The friendship that created has never been forgotten.

littlebird55 · 04/01/2018 09:44

wakemeupbefore

You are so very right.

Makes the blood boil just thinking of the second group. Rou and Taff's cull plan is almost too nice and too kind perhaps. You are thinking pain and brutality.

CeliaHoover · 04/01/2018 09:44

LittleBird
With the perennial "accept but then not show up" I simply don't bother inviting them again. Nothing more to add or explain. You can't be expected to buy food and drink for people who don't come at the last minute.

littlebird55 · 04/01/2018 09:46

Who isn't now making a list of everyone they ever invited over mental or otherwise after reading this thread to decide if they are worthy of another invite???

morningconstitutional2017 · 04/01/2018 09:47

I go to other people mainly but rarely host. I get the feeling that my home 'isn't quite up to scratch' for large social gatherings as I live in a much smaller house (two-up two-down) than everyone else. Friends all have much larger family homes and while mine is newer, warmer, drier and tastefully furnished I feel that mine is somehow found wanting. Plus I don't have enough space for all the chairs required, therefore the situation will remain the same.

CeliaHoover · 04/01/2018 09:49

Wakemeupbefore
the ones who won't - either they can't be bothered with the faff/expense to entertain at all or they just don't like you enough, meaning, they will entertain others whom they believe more worthy either as more amusing/entertaining guests or as ones with more social cache/social climbing opportunities, more beneficial to them for business etc. Or they think you as good enough for a free night out when nothing better to do and ones whom it's fine to sponge off from from time to time but whom they wouldn't have in their house.

Do you happen to know my sister by any chance??Grin

woodhill · 04/01/2018 09:51

I like having people over but dh does shifts so only off for a couple of weekends in 7 then need to see family as well in those weekends so more tricky but I am already planning to do dinner for some couples then.

Roussette · 04/01/2018 09:53

LittleB Personally, when I send out the invite, I would add a note on theirs saying 'I really do need to know this year if you are able to make it because you've not come for the last 3 years and we do have other people we could ask. Many thanks, do let me know asap'.

Morning your house is fine! I've put chairs in the hall if people really feel the need to sit. I'm sure your house is warm and inviting.

Taffeta · 04/01/2018 10:02

littlebird - as Celia I’d not invite them again. They clearly don’t want to come, for whatever reason. You’re doing them a kindness by not inviting them, as they don’t have to come up with an excuse.

No matter that they can see the gathering going on, as they don’t want to come to it. Which is fine.

Taffeta · 04/01/2018 10:05

morning - as said by party hosts on this thread before, a simple lunch or supper at your house, for just the host family would be a really wonderful way to reciprocate. No one expects everyone to hold big parties.

AstridWhite · 04/01/2018 10:06

Re the apero thing - tried it once when I moved to Yorkshire. Result was a load of neighbours drunk and unfed but still hanging in there are 10 blush

I don’t think it translates

Ah, well if you will move to Yorkshire...Wink

Actually I love Yorkshire. It's very civilised in parts but they do like the pub. I think the key to this is know your audience.

Just make it clear exactly what is is you are inviting people for. Pre-dinner drinks from 5.30 to 7.30? No-one should expect more than a bowl of nuts and olives and they leave on time. Lunchtime drinks party with a buffet from 1 to 4? They know they don't need to eat beforehand, they might linger until 5, but they should know it's very impolite to still be there at 7, cackling away drunkenly long after the hosts have cleared up and are yearning for their slippers and the TV.

Things like drinks parties work best at certain times, like mulled wine and mince pies a few days before Christmas or a lunchtime drinks party on NYD, (everyone is either very busy or very tired anyway, so less likely to take the piss and stay too long) or immediately before some other big local event or party that you will all be moving onto afterwards.

How people interpret an invitation for 'drinks' is very much rooted in their nationality, culture and class though. Some people think it's perfectly normal to invite people for early drinks and nibbles over a two hour time slot with a finite end time, other people don't get the distinction between that and a full on house party where they can arrive late and might still be singing karaoke in the garden at 3am.

That's why I said know your audience. It very much depends on your friends and acquaintances and their ability to just inherently understand what is meant by you when you say 'come for drinks.'

In my world (and I'm no Jilly Cooper but neither am I Pat Butcher) there is 'come for drinks,' and 'we are having a party' and they can mean very different things.

If you are don't intend to feed people beyond a bowl of crisps and olives and want to be tidied up and in bed by 9 then JUST GIVE A CLEAR START AND FINISH TIME and tell people what to expect food wise. It might run over time a little bit, but anyone who doesn't understand what they've been invited for is best left to get bladdered in the pub in future.

The worst host/guest experiences are where there has been miscommunication or a lack of clarity. If you invite someone for 'dinner' or 'tea' on a Sunday, make sure your idea of dinner or tea and the timing of it is the same as theirs...... Or if you throw a big party and people turn up expecting there to be curry and chilli and you've only supplied crisps and peanuts....ConfusedBlushShock

If these things give you anxiety and stop you from hosting then the simple answer is to plan to host what you feel you can manage without having a nervous breakdown and BE CLEAR about what you are offering. If you can't face huge, loud, parties (I can't) or loads of cooking then Sunday afternoon tea or morning coffee and cake is nice. Or a simple picnic or barbecue lunch in the garden for one other family at a time, with the children kept largely outside. You don't have to have hordes of people at once, just try to invite the people you know you really owe it to.

All you people saying your friends understand that you don't like hosting and they really don't mind....hmm, well I wouldn't bank on that. they are just too polite to tell you. Unless they know there is a very valid reason (and FYI this doesn't include 'my kitchen is small' or 'I don't like other people using my loo' or 'I'm very tidy and I get stressed when people put their glass down in the wrong place Hmm) then I'll bet they actually do mind, rather more than they let on.

I tend to do dinner for between 6 to 10 people, every two or three months or so. Sometimes a couple of families for Sunday lunch or a barbecue, sometimes very casual weeknight dinners for neighbours or local friends, just two or three people and very little effort.

Hosting dinners means I can get away with cherry picking closer friends without feeling bad about leaving out the peripheral friends and acquaintances I am less comfortable with, which is harder to do if you have a big party.

People tend to leave earlier from dinner as well, generally between 12 and 1 which suits me perfectly. I'd much rather go the the considerable effort and expense of cooking a lovely meal for 8 or ten and have them all gone by 1, than have the much easier job of just doing drinks and simple nibbles for a bigger crowd but having that sinking feeling that some of them will still be there at 3am making too much noise.

Everyone knows where they stand with dinner, it's not open ended or prone to misinterpretation like 'drinks' or a big party might be and you actually get to have some decent conversation at the table. I loathe that thing of shuffling around clutching a paper plate and making superficial small talk for hours on end with a variety of drunken people who you can't even hear properly over the music. I go when invited but I am usually one of the first to leave, as soon as is possible without looking impolite.

DH and I had two friends for over last night actually. Some friends who have moved away and were back in the area to see family over New Year.

As it was a weeknight they came early, I cooked just one course and it was only slightly more effort-intensive than I would normally cook for us anyway. We sat at the table, turned the TV off, we chatted, we drank wine, they left by 9.30. I didn't tidy up especially (but my house is always pretty civilised on that front) I did check that the downstairs loo was decent, that was it.

I am not traumatised by it, I don't need to take three days in a dark room to recover. Hmm I realise some people with severe anxiety issues or people on the spectrum may need to, but then they wouldn't probably have done it anyway. Frankly most people who don't host are just too flipping lazy. They'd rather leave all the work and the expense to people like me.

That's why I get the hump when I read things like 'I never host, my friends understand it's just the way I am, but I LOVE going to their parties. It works for us.'

Actually, no, it works for you. I can assure you it will work much less well for them and you will get talked about in less than glowing terms on occasion, when they feel taken advantage of.

Do you think bringing a bottle of wine and or offering to pitch up with a readymade dessert comes even close to doing your bit when they put themselves out several times a year for you? Well it's doesn't, so cop onto yourself.

I have learned over the years that some of my daytime friends (work, school mums, neighbours etc) are just not big socialising people beyond meeting for coffee and a chat during the week, or their DHs are awkward company and in the nicest possible way, they would rather not be asked again, or be pressured to reciprocate. That's fine.

I've learned the ones for whom there are genuine mitigating factors that make hosting impossible or traumatic. Also fine.

But I've also learned that there are some for whom there are no specific issues - they just can't be bothered to put themselves out and they'd rather go to someone else's house.

I have one friend in particular who will ring me to meet up for coffee or lunch every two or three weeks, has invited us to go away with them for long weekends in hotels etc, (so she does want to see me, she's not trying to remove herself by stealth or anything and our DHs are great buddies) but she just never invites us there any more.

She invited us there first actually, twice in quick succession when we first met seven years ago. She was making an effort to cement the friendship then. But ever since she has left it all to us and one other couple in our group. She just never takes her turn. We get together for dinner in my home or the other friend's home once every couple of months or so.

I know she is not an anxious person, she's a decent cook, she's very well off, her house is big/clean, she doesn't work full time, she's very sociable, no kids with SNs. And this is what really galls, I know she sometimes hosts a different group of friends who are completely separate (they all share a hobby) so she's still making the effort for them, just not me and my other friend.

They are always very happy to come to us, we never get the feeling that they'd rather not. And they have stayed with us for a long weekend in our holiday home too. But she just can't be bothered to make the effort for her longstanding friends any more, only her newer, hobby related ones. Hmm

I've had enough of it. It's just rude. It's restaurants only with them from now on.

AstridWhite · 04/01/2018 10:06

God that was long, sorry. Blush

Mumto2two · 04/01/2018 10:14

From reading some of these threads, it seems that there's a fine line between hospitality and hostility sometimes!
So many people just don't seem very understanding of other people's nuances and ways. Yes there are some people who are not social butterflys, ill at ease with their humble homes or unable in some way to do what comes so naturally to others. Why does that have to be judged so negatively? People are different in so many ways, that is the nature of what we are!
I may not be the proverbial social butterfly, but I regularly host for people I know well, and have made some lovely neighbour friends who have been for dinner on occasions. One family has an autistic child, and while they like hosting, have openly made it known that they prefer it that way, as their child is not comfortable out of his own surroundings. I have a friend with a large family, and she too prefers it that way. There are so many different reasons why the reciprocal might not happen. But I would never ever feel that in inviting someone into my home, that I expect an invite in return. That to me speaks volumes about their 'generosity'.

MotheringMilly · 04/01/2018 10:31

Since moving our house isn’t currently set up for hosting get togethers or parties but we have only ever had friends and family around anyway. We never just open our house up to the whole street like some people like to do, I can only assume the people that do this do so because they like to.

It’s like arranging meet ups with friends, it’s usually one person that always sorts it out and if they didn’t bother it would seemingly never happen.

FrancinePefko · 04/01/2018 10:32

Mumto2two
I would never ever feel that in inviting someone into my home, that I expect an invite in return. That to me speaks volumes about their 'generosity'.

Neither would I. This is not about keeping score or track of every single invite, what they brought, whether or not they reciprocate immediately.

It's about
a) Noticing
b) Caring
about patterns of behaviour over the long term (sometimes 10-20 years).

I agree that if you enjoy giving - you give without expectation. That is what it means to be generous. Some of the erennial hosters here are just speculating / curious as to the Category B types mentioned above. Those who could reciprocate but won't.

Roussette · 04/01/2018 10:33

I agree Mumto2two which is why I would never entertain and expect back the same number of invites. That's what we're not talking about here... we're talking about the ones as in Astrids last couple of paragraphs

littlebird55 · 04/01/2018 10:37

Astrid

You are clearly are very invested socially, and you seem to spend a lot of your time organising dinners and I enjoyed reading your post. Your suggestions are spot on and very helpful.

If my 'friend' was inviting other families and not me, after such a long time I would no longer consider them a friend either, and it is hurtful. Indeed it is generous of you to even consider meeting them at all restaurants or otherwise.

That said friendships seem to have cycles and natural ups and downs when you have more in common at different times. Maybe her dh is pushing for the hobby group meet ups more or one of them has cancer or some reason unknown to you. We all only have so much time. It is entirely possible she still thinks very highly of you or has not realised this has happened, and might be mortified to learn about it.

Have you spoken to her?

Either way you clearly have a lot to give, and being discerning is key

Pigwig10 · 04/01/2018 10:43

We have the same thing. Regularly hold 1 - 2 large bbq’s a year, we provide entertainment for the kids by hiring a huge bouncy castle, we provide food (though I’ve downscaled this from chicken & steak to sausages & burgers with salads), we also provide a good selection of drinks (wine, prosecco, vodka, beers, fizzy drinks). Also squash, water, crisps & sweets to keep the kids crazy. They usually start around 2-3 in the afternoon and I’m often getting rid of the stragglers after midnight. It annoys me when people bring a 4 pack of beers or a bottle of paintstripper wine then proceed to drink the spirits and decent stuff we provide and that others have brought, leaving their own stuff untouched!! My house is not a show home, it’s ‘lived In’. Everybody has a fabulous time but the clean up the next day is a task and a half. Carnage. Bottles & cans left all over the house & garden. Food debris and packets/wrappers that other people’s kids have just thrown on the ground and not found a bin for. Apart from my sister who offeres to help, not another person does. We have never been asked around to anyone else’s home. I might get slated by some mumsnetters for this, but its beginning to twist my knickers a bit I can tell you Hmm