To say bras are not for boys

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Another trans bully nightmare. Targetting the yellowberry bra brand now

lilymaynard.wordpress.com/2017/12/31/bra-gate-yellowberry-products-now-for-everyone/

When will this BS end?

The worst thing about the article was the business owners grovelling apology.

Agree. It made me sick to my stomach.

The trans cult are a gang of relentless bullies. They won’t be satisfied until they have wiped every mention of girls or women out of public life.

So right. Why can't people see this?

I feel it's getting to the point where trans/gender fluid is so sensitive we're having to feel ashamed for wanting to be the gender we were born with.

I have seen plenty of comments from transactivists suggesting exactly that and from abject female trans ally doormats like the owner of Yellowberry falling over themselves to agree.

havent RTFT but I don't really see this as harmful. I mostly completely agree with the other topics on this trend as joining women's sports teams and accessing spaces as completely wrong and dangerous but if a boy wants to wear a bra it's not really hurting any body. I found the recent article of the mother selling fake penises aimed at "trans" toddlers completely more disturbing and horrifying

I think you need to read the thread. It's not about whether boys should be able to wear bras.

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Yeah sorry still not seeing it, maybe we will have to disagree about what we find 'hot'. A man in a dress doesn't turn me on, each to their own I guess.

Can we suggest they market tampons to boys too? I am happy to tell them exactly where they can shove it.

I think posters grouping boys together with girls/women with very little breast tissue doesn’t help the matter. I’m surprised that women can view other women as not needing to wer a bra because of the latter.

Having read what you wrote granny and Aeroflot said, I was going to say something similar. I fully appreciate you are both totally anti what is happening. However, just posting what you have written is playing into the hands of the misogynist.

I used to have very little breast tissue, between and A and AA. Because of this, my brother gave me a really degrading nickname that he used in front of his friends and encouraged them and my cousin to call me by it. It was far worse that “flatty” or “flat tits” rather that I was prepubescent. It was mortifying.

I was then also laughed at for not wearing a bra at school.

My mother thought it ridiculous I needed a bra and after much crying and pleading, she finally bought me one when I was around 14 whilst all the time telling me how ridiculous this was. She never bought me another bra again. The thing that grates even more is that she ridiculed me yet at the same time crowed how her grandmother made her a bra out of handkerchiefs for her when she was about 13. (AA cups at that time didn’t exist and that’s what people used to do).

I already had no self esteem from abusive mothering and the verbal/physical abuse suffered from my brother and these views made me hate my beautiful, young woman’s body. Now in my mid 40’s, having had years of therapy I still struggle to accept my body.

It’s never ending. And ridiculous. Feel sorry for the owner and her employee who they are demanding must be fired. I don’t think anyone can win when they start making these type of demands or start going after companies like this. Topshop situation etc recently - same type of thing.

Nobody wants to take them to task in public and not pandering to them or not making your business about them is deemed offensive.

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Ps i read a thread on here the other day where a woman was unhappy with pole dancing class and another one where she wanted blogs to be different - the response from people was “run / make your own then” instead of telling other people how to run their business.

I wonder if all these activist / well-meaning / selfless people have ever thought about that before targeting small businesses in public naming and shaming in the name of ‘inclusiveness’

All those people saying things like this

Sure, boys and men can wear bras, but there's absolutely no point. They are a garment with a specific function.

can fuck off. I'm a woman with a flat chest. Is there no point in my wearing attractive bras now and then?

Because I do!

I dealt with having no "real" breasts years ago. Doesn't mean I need to hear that shit.

Similarly, males can wear them if they want to.

Growing boys don't need bras because unless they are very overweight they won't have breasts,and as the sister of one who did I can tell you that a bra is the last thing they'd want. Mtf teens won't class themselves as boys who need bras but as girls...

There's been a lot of talk of mtf trans teens who wont/don the have breasts. But I read the issue differently. I read it as being about ftm trans teens who might have breasts and need a bra but, as they consider themselves to be boys, not girls (or nonbinary) may feel they are excluded from such marketing or may feel uncomfortable shopping for products or in places aimed at teen girls.

I'm not saying I agree but it's interesting that the majority have posters have assumed this is about biological males making demands on things needed by biological females. When actually I read it as biological females demanding recognition that they may not fit into a specific gendered box.

I'm going to think on this some more.

Not about boob size, not about the gender of wearer, all about pressure being placed on marketing and the removal of female in this case girls from products that for many women are a necessity not a fashion choice.

What seems saddest to me is that this company was set up by a young woman who wanted there to be more of a choice for young girls who couldn't find bras that fit them (physically and appearance wise for their ages to reflect that they were still girls and not women yet). So bras that girls like Mummyoflittledragon (or me!) could happily wear sold through a website that made them feel at home and normal (although I agree with PP some of the language is a bit flowery for my personal taste).

To be completely honest I think the original response wasn't great, it would have been much better just to say 'Thank you for your input. Happy New Year' ignore the substance of the comment and leave it for the owner to decide whether to take that input on board or not. However I expect that the companies usual approach to social media wasn't very corporate and they were caught on the hop. Getting social media right is very hard.

I'm glad to see that the website still says it's mission is to support 'everything girls', that they still talk about their bras as being for girls who are perfect just the way they are, and that all their pictures are of girls. I can't see how they could really change that without being a very different brand. It might be nice if there was a girl or two that was gender non conforming perhaps (all the models seem to have long hair) but that doesn't seem to have been the request at all.

It's an absolute nonsense.

If we are to accept the TRA trope that transwomen are women then marketing bras to women and girls is fine.

Ftm - consider themselves boys and men, not girls or women and use binders that are marketed at them.

Mtf - already consider themselves to be girls/women, so the 'for girls' marketing is appropriate and, as bras are worn under clothes and no one else knows, it matters not a jot to anyone whether a transgirl/woman wears a bra or not.

As others have already stated.

This should be used as evidence that this is nothing to do with trans rights and eveything to do with diminishing women and girls by men who are, essentially, jealous that we were born into the bodies that they fetishise.

"Shall we let them wear sanitary towels too, because they might "choose" to?"

Let them? I don't believe we have they power to stop them. Of course they can wear sanitary towels if they want to. They can shove a tampon up their arse if they want to
Well i didn't mean literally, obviously we couldn't stop them, i meant should we start marketing them as a a product for boys, just so they don't feel left out, as they might "choose" to wear them. Absolutely insane, but where do we draw the line.

I read it as being about ftm trans teens who might have breasts and need a bra but, as they consider themselves to be boys, not girls (or nonbinary) may feel they are excluded from such marketing or may feel uncomfortable shopping for products or in places aimed at teen girls.

This company might not appeal to a lot of girls/women for a lot of reasons. They are free to shop elsewhere that is less 'girly' maybe. The bottom line is that the majority of ftm bind their breasts to hide the fact they have them altogether. They are not interested in celebrating their curves or feeling confident about their developing bodies and embracing their 'womanliness'. So they are not shopping at stores that solely exist to sell pretty bras to teenage girls.

As someone else said, if the TRA's want to market plain 'masculine' bras to transboys, then they can see a gap.in the market and start selling them, can't they? And leave the business aimed at selling bras to girls alone.

There are loads of companies that don't serve my needs but I can't bully them because of it.

Some of these comments are exactly where the TAs are coming from.

They say that female does not exist as a "thing" and that instead we should be addressed according to what our bodies can can't do, as and when necessary.

So, for period stuff, we are called

Menstruators, non menstruators. Post menopausal / prepubescent girls fall into the "non menstruators" category along with the penis people. This classification does have a slight issue in that the people who came up with it don't seem to understand how periods work, mystifying why that might be , but there we are

For sex matters, prostate havers and non prostate havers will do

For pregnancy related matters, uterus bearers and non uterus bearers

There is to be NO language to describe the group that was previously known as women / girls / female, despite the fact that 99.9% of the world know exactly what it means and how to treat the people in it ie often badly.

This breasts thing is the same and posters here are falling for it. The idea that breasts make / don't make a woman is highly misogynistic, and 100% in accord with both vile sexist men and the view of TAs. The idea that breasts over a certain size = female and breasts under a certain size = male is grotesque. Of course men around the world have felt free to comment on / feel up / shout about womens and girls breast size for all of always. Girls who have smaller breasts are an object of ridicule and their femaleness brought into question, while girls with large breasts start getting sexual harassment as soon as they are there which can be age 11 / 12. The whole subject is incredibly fraught for women. And of course for llots of TIMs having their chests altered to give the impression of breasts is key, and many seem to like to display their new chests in tiny underwear and sexualised poses and then say Look! Look at my breasts and my pose I am a real woman, more than that, I am a proper woman, not like some of these other ones with hardly anything to put in their bra.

This is basic misogyny and continuing the enforcement of a certain type of female body as being properly female.

Of course in actual fact female people grow breasts at puberty (which may be big, small or medium) and many of those female people dislike the attention that they get from others around this (whether it's harassment or insults) and bras are in fact a garment designed for people who grow breasts at puberty ie girls, and if they have small breasts who is anyone on this thread to say that really they shouldn't have a bra and give it to a fat bloke instead? I mean seriously piss off with that for all the reasons I've just said. If a young girl wants a bra because she's growing up then let her have a fucking bra. Don't tell her she's got a chest like a boy so shut up.

It's like some people have grown up in a completely different world of something.

My views on this are simple. Any company that uses a MTT to market products to women, or trys to suggest that a MTT is interchangeable with a woman, is not a company that I give money to or recommend their products to other people.Yes I'm looking at you, Dove. To me that comes within that category.

For years (since I was a teen) people have said that men are used for tights adverts as they have "better legs".

This is from way before the trans thing.

See also catwalk models who are selected based on attributes that are far more common in boys than girls - height, extreme thinness, very few curves etc

Fundamentally the idea that men do womaning better than women (if they want to) has always been there, now it's just gone mainstream. With women including on this thread agreeing.

And when it's men make better women than women it's always about being "sexy" - because society says this is what a woman is - "sexy" and if she isn't then does she even count for anything?

Oh ffs

Any man who has breasts is probably transitioned or transitioning? So why would the world girl or woman worry them?

And why can't girls and their parents have a site to ask questions about first bras etc?

What a load of nonsense.

If a boy wants to buy a bra why can't he just buy a bra and stop worrying about language as obviously teens buying bras are going to be girls

On a side not they look lovely aren't are exactly the kind if thing id want /get for dd1. Wish there was a UK equivilant.

thebewilderness I am interested in your point about this being the reintroduction of couverture - which I think is that women are male property - is that correct?

Would you mind expanding on what you mean? It is a genuine question, I am trying to understand the implications.

Only up to your post on page 8, not read the rest of the thread to just now yet, so apologies if already covered.

If they are so desperate to be accepted as women or girls why are they demanding that the company don’t use those terms in their marketing?

🎤 perfect pretenders... we're falling head over heels for something that ain't real🎼

I think it's time to knock this nonsense on the head.

Boy don't need bras, boys don't wear bras. A brassiere was made for women... not boys, not men.

Ugh!

Will they also start claiming ovarian cancer?

Will they start claiming cervical cancer?

If you have man boobs I suggest you go do something about them... men typically don't have much breast tissue so if you do something might be wrong. Overweight? Cancer? You should probably see your GP. Not get a brassiere.