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What are my legal rights here? And WIBU?

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DidIDoTheWrongThing · 01/01/2018 02:08

I live in a block of flats, six in total.

The top floor flat dweller has continuously left the pram she no longer uses (baby is now 3yo) in the ground floor communal corridor for nearly a year.

It is a narrow corridor, and to get past the pram you have to manoeuvre yourself around it. You can’t just walk straight past it. It was a major fire hazard and more than one person has fallen over it trying to get past.

Everyone in the building has complained about it but she hasn’t paid the slightest bit of notice.

I got fed up after the nth polite but firm email requesting its removal and informed her that unless she moved it by X date, I would remove the pram.

X date came and went, pram was still there. So I took the pram and put it in the garden.

This finally got a response. She went ballistic at me and claimed that it had been stolen by the time she went to collect it.

She is now demanding I pay for the pram and is threatening me with the police and legal action.

Was I being unreasonable and does anyone know what my legal position is on this?

OP posts:
DidIDoTheWrongThing · 03/01/2018 00:42

Yes, I got that Bash. That is what I should have done in hindsight. What’s done is done though and my AIBU was looking for solutions and what my legal rights are.

OP posts:
DidIDoTheWrongThing · 03/01/2018 00:42

There have been some very helpful posts here, thank you to those posters. Flowers

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Chocolatehamper · 03/01/2018 02:09

I would have put it outside and planted some flowers in it... just for the hell of it, but that's just how I roll!!! Wink

Someonessnackbitch · 03/01/2018 07:59

If the pram doesn’t fold it will be pricey. A lot of prams costing £500+ do fold but I’d hardly class it as folding and is actually easier just to leave up as it takes up the same amount of room. If it is a pricey pram then she may try and contact a solicitor. If it’s a stroller, you’re probably looking between £50-£200 max.
I am genuinely shocked my the amount of terrible advice on here.
If you had a huge argument with your partner and dumped his/her stuff outside and it got stolen, you would be liable. Before anyone says it’s communal. Yes it is but the hallway is still your property and you still have a share in its care/upkeep. If you have a back garden, that would make it worse and could be seen as malicious. If your emails to her were aggressive or forceful in any way. Then that may also make it seem malicious.
I am not against you on this one, I would love to have done the same thing. But unfortunately you can’t move someone else’s property. As you said it was causing a hazard, it can be argued that you should have put it in a safe place. Personally I would have lodged it outside her front door.
I would honestly book a telephone consultation with the leasehold advisory service. I think you get a 15 min phone call. If you are liable, I’d just ignore her as it really probably is just hot air. But if she pursues it’s very likely she’ll come out on top.

Howsthings1234 · 03/01/2018 09:06

I agree with someone's- I would have put it right outside her door with a note to say 'apologies but I have a disabled friend coming to visit who needs access to the corridor. Please keep in your flat in future to avoid any issues with fire hazards'

Austentatious · 03/01/2018 09:15

Make all future correspondence via her landlord. Everything. She is the landlords probynot yours, but Yvan make her a major irritant for landlord, and if she's got any sense, she will start to behave if her lease is threatened. It's her landlor's insurance and interests which will be affected / compromised by her continuing failure to meet fire safety requirements/ breach his lease

Someonessnackbitch · 14/01/2018 12:57

@DidIDoTheWrongThing I’m quite interested in your outcome. What is the latest?

Letsmaketheworldbetter · 22/01/2018 18:38

Update?

MrTrebus · 22/01/2018 18:44

OP I know where you live! Where I used to live. YABU for putting in writing that you're going to move the pram etc, you should have just moved it agessssss ago and not said anything, then if it was stolen that's her problem and no proof on you. As it stands she has proof you intended to move it BUT no proof you actually did so just deny ever actually moving it and that it must have been stolen from the communal area where it shouldn't have been anyway and if she cared about it's loss to theft then she should have kept it indoors. Also she won't actually phone police or a solicitor so just forget about it and practice your denial face if necessary.

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