Smoking weed is......

[LockJawTrouble]

Just trying to make sense of things. Is it me or smoking weed is not normal? I am fed up of this excuse to the point, where I think I need some reconfirmation , to make sure I am not the only one thinking that.

Normal. To me and My husband. We smoke it daily, regular. Like anyone would a packet of cigarettes. I'm not explaining myself in any way. but my say is

'as long as my children are fed, happy and clean, And all my bills and things for kids are paid for, The money that me and my husband work 40+ hours a week each for, Is actually ours to spend as we wish after'

And it is very simple to determine if weed cauaes mh problems. I smoke weed...im a paranoid mess. I refrain...im fine. Its not hard.

That's not how it works. If weed makes you paranoid then obviously it's not for you which is fair enough, it's not for everyone. How ever If you're only paranoid whilst high then it's a side effect, not a mental health condition.

curry, if you actually read the page I linked to, it addresses the causation/correlation thing: "There is growing evidence that people with serious mental illness, including depression and psychosis, are more likely to use cannabis or have used it for long periods of time in the past. Regular use of the drug has appeared to double the risk of developing a psychotic episode or long-term schizophrenia. However, does cannabis cause depression and schizophrenia or do people with these disorders use it as a medication?

Over the past few years, research has strongly suggested that there is a clear link between early cannabis use and later mental health problems in those with a genetic vulnerability - and that there is a particular issue with the use of cannabis by adolescents."

It suggests that evidence is pointing towards causation and is not just a correlation.

The thing is if we legalise weed why not legalise ALL drugs?

Well its a nasty side effect so no thanks.

Rubbish argument anyway. Lots of banned drugs have nasty side effects. Thalidomide etc. Dont necessarily affect everyobe but hell for those it does effect.

I agree booze is just as bad. But that dosnt make weed better.

Malificent
The thing is if we legalise weed why not legalise ALL drugs?
Yup, that is the sensible thing to do.
Decriminalise possession of everything
and then licence supply such that the legal undercuts the illegal.

It works in the countries that use evidence based decision making.

Remember that most of the legislation making stuff illegal is only a few decades old.
It will wear off.

Well yes, why not legalise all drugs? The war on drugs has clearly failed. Millions of public money has been wasted fighting a losing battle. One cannabis farm shuts down another 5 pop up in its place. It's never going to end.

We will never stop those who want to use drugs from using. Why not make it safer, whilst at the same time making it easier for people who do want to stop to seek help without criminalising them in the process?

Well its a nasty side effect so no thanks.

I agree, I'm fortunate in that I've never had paranoia from smoking weed. If I did I probably wouldn't want to continue with it either. Like I said it's not for everyone.

When I was a student, an evening's worth of hash was a £5 deal
I am given to understand that £5 of weed is still enough for an evening.
£5 then was 3 pints of beer.
£5 now is 1 1/2 pints of beer.
If that is not evidence that the War on Drugs has utterly failed, I do not know what is ....

Rubbish argument anyway. Lots of banned drugs have nasty side effects. Thalidomide etc. Dont necessarily affect everyobe but hell for those it does effect

The same way as life saving drugs do? Almost all drugs can have nasty side effects. Bet you are still happy to take those you need though.

It suggests that evidence is pointing towards causation and is not just a correlation

I read it, and you need to understand what pointing to and suggests mean before you make any more claims.
People keep stating that cannabis causes XY and Z as if this is an established fact. It categorically is not.

The same way as life saving drugs do? Almost all drugs can have nasty side effects. Bet you are still happy to take those you need though.
Like morphine and heroin and cocaine that are utterly essential in hospitals ...... just under different names

It's normal for me. I'd much rather get up in the morning after a few smokes than after a few alcoholic drinks. The impact on the body and mind is much more profound with alcohol.

I've seen friends wrecked by drink (mentally, physically, emotionally) far more than by cannabis, which from my experience is often used as a crutch by people with existing social, anxiety and motivation issues. It doesn't necessarily cause these issues - the causation/correlation discussion above is a very valid one.

I know there's much more to the argument than comparison with alcohol but I'm compelled to respond to the hypocrites in here who castigate cannabis and its users while applying none of the same logic to the alcohol they and their acquaintances consume. Passive smoking? Really, is that the best argument you can find?

There's a reason why kids in the Netherlands smoke less weed and engage in less problem drug use than kids in the UK. There's a reason why drug addiction problems have been tackled on an unprecedented scale in Portugal in recent years. Decriminalisation has its benefits - people should start taking notice of evidence.

£5 of weed is still enough for an evening.

It depends what you mean by an evening, but I wouldn’t think so, no.

Depending on strength, a fiver is going to get you between 0.5g and a gram (possibly even less. That’s 1-2 spliffs.

I smoked weed when I was in my early 20s for the first time and had my first panic attack as a result. I’m now 20 years down the line and still have panic attacks (haven’t smoked week for those 20 years either).

I think it it’s properly tested and controlled then fine.... but for me it has too many side effects because it’s NOT controlled, and until it is then imo it shouldnt be legalised.

I smoked weed when I was in my early 20s for the first time and had my first panic attack as a result. I’m now 20 years down the line and still have panic attacks (haven’t smoked week for those 20 years either)

One instance of smoking weed does not cause 2 decades of panic attacks. Your first (recognised) one may have been around the same time, but subsequent ones are not linked. If you are still blaming a few joints for it 20 years later you need to talk to a professional and find out the real causes.

Thebluedog
I think it it’s properly tested and controlled then fine.... but for me it has too many side effects because it’s NOT controlled, and until it is then imo it shouldnt be legalised.
Your post contradicts itself
How can it be controlled and tested UNLESS it is legalised ???

Have you read what the posters from the USA are saying ?
Legalisation brings regulation
Criminalisation brings chaos

Well yes, why not legalise all drugs?

Because drug growers/dealers/barons will mthen find something new and illegal to make their money from.

does anyone drive after weed? is it not like drink driving?

does anyone drive after weed? is it not like drink driving?
It counts as driving while intoxicated
so is illegal
even if you got intoxicated somewhere it was legal (like the Netherlands)

That matters to me whether it is a 'good' law or not
one could argue that unquestioning deference and obedience to authority constitutes a failure to do your civic duty

Because drug growers/dealers/barons will mthen find something new and illegal to make their money from.

There really are some rubbish reasons for keeping cannabis illegal but this one quite possibly tops the lot

And no I don't drive afterwards. A few hours afterwards I might as it's worn off by then but never straight after a joint.

I never ever drove stoned, or drunk
I am conscientiousness personified!

A question to those in the uk...can you request a particular strain from your dealer? Or how about ask if they have sativa, indica or hybrid? Or is it a case of yes I have green?

I know the strain, genetics, farm, testing lab, percentage of thc and cbd and likely effects. Not all pot is the same.

If anyone is interested go look on leafly. They label strong sativa that is likely to cause paranoia in some people. Just like booze causes some to get aggressive...but it is not permanent.

Does anyone actually think.im better off with immunosuppressive drugs, tramadol etc, than I am smoking pot?

The legal pot is stronger, no one could smoke an entire joint in one go!' Its 3 hits and you are done. So works out quite cheaply.

And no, I.dont smoke and drive, and don't know anyone.who would.

There are plenty of studies that disprove links between mental health issues and marijuana. I.also dont think it's good for developing brains, and it should be over 21 only unless the benefits medically outweigh risks, such as epilepsy, crohns etc.

I use a bubbler, but am not living near other people. I would only use a vape around others.

Legalization has worked beautifully here. Seeing adverts for pot shops is still kinda wierd though.

Depends on the dealer. Our guy gives us a choice depending what he has in but that's not the norm I don't think.

This discussion is going round in circles. Posters who partake think that those who don't because it is illegal are unreasonable for not smoking it, and those that don't think that those who do are unreasonable because it is against the law

“one could argue that unquestioning deference and obedience to authority constitutes a failure to do your civic duty”

I don’t agree with this. You could argue that carrying a knife or other illegal weapon, or doing anything else that is illegal is a moral obligation to question authority. Where do you draw the line? I don’t disagree that legalising it isn’t a bad idea though.

BTW as a non-smoker I found it difficult and counter intuitive to inhale when smoking a spliff, so I just gave up trying.