Smoking weed is......

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Just trying to make sense of things. Is it me or smoking weed is not normal? I am fed up of this excuse to the point, where I think I need some reconfirmation , to make sure I am not the only one thinking that.

If anyone's interested Disjointed on Netflix is a great series.

I wish it was legal in the UK for medical purposes.
I smoke it when I can get it, I have several chronic illnesses, Im on Morphine and Gabapentin.
If I can get hold of it to smoke I dont need my other pills.
Morphine and Gabapentin long term does a lot of damage and the side effects are crazy... I'd rather have weed which is natural and does no harm to my body (or as far as research shows anyway).
I have Kids, I have a career, being on my medication wipes me out and I can't think straight, and without anything I cannot get out of bed.
Yes it can be abused but then so can many legal things.

im always surprised by the amount of non-weed-users who feel like its their business that other people do. I mean whats it got to do with anyone else if someone recreationally partakes. Surely its no skin off anyone elses nose if I have a smoke or a vape or a cookie in the evening?

im always surprised by the amount of non-weed-users who feel like its their business that other people do

Well, a lot of 'non-weed users' might have first hand shitty experiences of how weed can effect people close to them as mentioned several times on this thread.

And others might, y'know, object to the fact that it's illegal as mentioned several times on this thread.

Great! Just arrived in Amsterdam to smoke a fat one! All you nosey people should mind your own business, unless you are completely perfect! People abuse lots of things such as alcohol, food, sugar - should we ban that too?

Yes to shit being spouted. In every state it's been legalised it's because people voted for it.

*I dont know what the cause of your dh's poor mental health were, but pot didnt cause it. Correlation is not cause. It's likely he had these problems previous to using weed, and his harder drug use made it worse.

He made a choice to use hard drugs. The weed didnt cause this.*

Harder drugs not because of weed?
Severe paranoia not because of weed?
Weed didn't make any existing problems worse?

I and his GP beg to differ but you obviously have 100% solid evidence otherwise.

Oh and for the record, I absolutely agree with proper regulated weed for medical purposes when the benefits of such are obvious.

The fact that big pharma dont profit makes me love it even more. That is a purely money driven industry.

All industries are money driven I'm sure the people who grow your pot aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts (but if you are only paying $6 a gram there's really not much testing being done on it, possibly some GC to identify the main components but that's probably it.).

Should I point out that botulism toxin is natural? 'Natural' doesn't mean something isn't going to harm you. Medicine is all about preventing or curing the effects of natural things like parasites, bacteria, viruses, aging, alcohol, tobacco. Pharmaceutical companies have transformed modern medicine, I'm sure you wouldn't want to go back to a world without antibiotics, steroids, immunosuppressors or biological therapies (all synthesised although the biologics are made using GMOs so a more 'natural' synthesis depending on your viewpoint)?

I agree that the combination of the multiple active ingredients may well have an effect that individually they wouldn't have but this is a big technical barrier to developing a safe drug with reproducible effects at the cost point that the insurance companies in the US (or the NHS in the UK) will pay for which is why the Pharma industry (or indeed the charity sector) haven't done much research into it. The cost of developing such a complex pill that may not do well in clinical trials and has questionable intellectual property is prohibitive.

No pill needs to be formulated. It's perfect as it is. The effects are widely known. Jamaica, for instance, isn't suffering due to their mass long term usage of weed.

I belong to a medical marijuana collective, I don't pay full price. Its the law that all weed has to be tested before it can be sold. I know the farm it came from, seen pics of the plants growing. No pesticides or fungacides are used. And I know the genetics of the strain, plus testing tells me percentage of thc and cbd. The terpene and cannibidol profile are presumed typical for the strain.

My alternatives of immunosuppressive drugs for crohns, and sulfa based very strong antibiotic, commonly used for leprosy for the absolutely awful and chronic celiac rash I suffer from, reduced my quality of life horribly. They can keep their drugs, weed works for me and many others.

Paranoidswife, im very sorry for your predicament, but correlation isnt the same as causation. People with mental health issues shop around for a drug which makes their consciousness bearable. They might well start with booze, then weed, and keep going until they hit the magic formula. The mental health issue predated the weed. Was he into coke? Now that makes for paranoid people, sometimes permanently. Weed doesn't cause someone to run to, say, coke. Self responsibility. The peson decides to go down that path.

I am very sorry you are struggling with your husbands mental health issues. It must be miserable.

To the person in Amsterdam, have fun! Careful of the edibles, they are creepers!

BooBoo

We needed loads of munchies when we were last there and i munched my way through several lovely sweet pastries from a shop on the corner of the canal streets, can't think what it was called.

Have one for me, followed by a coffee, you'll be giggling all night

"And others might, y'know, object to the fact that it's illegal"

Me, too! I object to the fact that it's illegal. The state has no business telling competent adults what they can and can't ingest, especially in a world where more dangerous and more addictive substances are perfectly legal.

Legalize it, regulate it. That's a good state.

And I say all that as someone who has smoked weed only once in the past 15 years.

Jamaica is suffering from high usage of cannabis

Jamaica has very serious issues with mental health and some of the highest numbers of pds recorded

I wouldn’t use Jamaica as a good example for advocating cannabis use

How the money could be used and the market controlled to a degree yes and more money educating people on how it can impact their mental health (especially young people)

Great! Just arrived in Amsterdam to smoke a fat one!

We needed loads of munchies when we were last there and i munched my way through several lovely sweet pastries from a shop on the corner of the canal streets, can't think what it was called

Have one for me, followed by a coffee, you'll be giggling all night grin

I guess when I first posted on this thread, it was much more about 'who still does this stuff' and who's moved on, rather than the Weed is Evil/Marvellous arguments that it's grown into.

Aside from the medical argument - maybe this exchange above ^^ is why it has little charm for me now - while I would expect to get messages like that in my (very) early 20's, most of my friends and family who might have had the odd bit of weed have grown out of it I guess.

I don't really care what other people get up too, but it's not present in my social circle as we've got a bit older, and I'd find it a bit unusual if someone did.

Antisocial, illegal, stupid.

Paranoidswife, im very sorry for your predicament, but correlation isnt the same as causation. People with mental health issues shop around for a drug which makes their consciousness bearable. They might well start with booze, then weed, and keep going until they hit the magic formula. The mental health issue predated the weed. Was he into coke? Now that makes for paranoid people, sometimes permanently. Weed doesn't cause someone to run to, say, coke. Self responsibility. The peson decides to go down that path.

It's ok, we are a team and progressing. Better or worse, sickness and health

Yes to coke and booze. I'm here to learn as I need to learn as much as possible.

SheGotBetteDavisEyes I’m sure you have wine and cheese parties in your circle of friends because thats much more socially acceptable isn’t it! Forgetting the the fact that alcohol is actually a curse on our society. The fact is your a snob and just conforming to societal norms. I went out last night to a quiet coffee shop, yes people were smoking pot but they were speaking in hushed tones and having friendly conversations. So much better than a violent, aggressive English night out on the beers!

Alcohol is the work of the devil.

I don’t think alcohol should be legal and bars should be allowed to offer things like happy hours if cannabis is illegal. Alcohol causes way more problems in this country and is costing the NHS an obscene amount every year

....not as bad as other illegal drugs.
....illegal? (Or is it, I'm confused now)
....something to be careful of as presumably when you buy it you're having a bit of contact with some potentially dodgy people?

My first reaction also is that it's something a bit immature and teenager-ish to do.

I feel differently if I think about people using it to relieve MS symptoms or chronic pain.

Teenagers like to get drunk too but I don’t think adults who enjoy the odd glass of wine are immature.

For me personally I don’t have dealings with any dodgy people as I get mine from a friend who grows his own in small quantities. Enough for me, him and one other person.

Alcohol causes way more problems in this country and is costing the NHS an obscene amount every year
David Nutt made the argument that the legality of substances should be based on the harms associated with them, he was promptly sacked.
Clearly these laws are not made for the benefit of the people

Is it bad to get high?
What's wrong with wanting to get intoxicated?
Psychoactive substances can help you to relax to feel better, expand your mind your mind feel a oneness with the universe
what's wrong with that?

Ta1kinPeace, you asked for links to the evidence that cannabis's link to psychosis. I am not going to go do this - you are very capable of doing this, but I will link to what the Royal College of Psychiatrists say, hardly a rinky-dink organisation. They say "Over the past few years, research has strongly suggested that there is a clear link between early cannabis use and later mental health problems in those with a genetic vulnerability - and that there is a particular issue with the use of cannabis by adolescents." and "There is now sufficient evidence to show that those who use cannabis particularly at a younger age, such as around the age of 15, have a higher than average risk of developing a psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder."

Additionally, they state that cannabis is addictive - "Yes. Even though in the past cannabis was not thought to be addictive, current evidence now suggests that it can be, particularly if used regularly. Cannabis has the features of addictive drugs such as the development of:
tolerance – which means having to take more and more to get the same effect. In heavy users, you can experience withdrawal symptoms such as:
craving
decreased appetite
sleep difficulty
weight loss
aggression and/or increased irritability
irritability
restlessness
strange dreams. .
These symptoms of withdrawal produce about the same amount of discomfort as withdrawing from tobacco."

That anyone feels the right to to tell anyone else what they can and can't put into their own bodies is frankly disgraceful.
Wonder how many pearl clutchers on here are berating people who enjoy the odd spliff while sitting quaffing their nightly bottle of Prosecco to cope with the miserable and joyless lives.

I remember an old work colleague having a rant about stoners one day whilst she stuffed cream cakes into her gob. Again, obesity and sugar addiction cause more harm and expense to this country