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Trump 2018: Resistance is Never Futile

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lionheart · 29/12/2017 18:34

To pick up on the Star Trek motif.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/01/2018 06:26

CORRECTED: Senate Obtains Docs On Russian Social Media Giant’s Contacts With Trump Campaign

talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/russian-social-media-giant-gave-info-on-trump-contacts-to-senate-probe?utm_content=bufferfe66a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/01/2018 06:34

Seems like a fairly succinct way of summing up yesterday’s revelations

Ronald Klain
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America, 1/4/18: The President suing to stop publication of a book. The AG seeking dirt on the FBI. The WH Counsel urging the AG to break the law and stop an investigation. The Speaker undercutting DOJ's independence. #NoRuleNoLaw

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/01/2018 06:37

I suppose this was going to be a natural consequence

GOP mega-donors cut off funding for Bannon's security detail: report

thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/367529-gop-megadonors-cut-off-funding-for-bannons-security-detail-report?amp&__twitter_impression=true

TheClaws · 05/01/2018 06:41

Sloppy Steve! Gosh, he loves nicknames and pretending he doesn’t know people.

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I authorized Zero access to White House (actually turned him down many times) for author of phony book! I never spoke to him for book. Full of lies, misrepresentations and sources that don’t exist. Look at this guy’s past and watch what happens to him and Sloppy Steve!

annandale · 05/01/2018 06:46

Oh Donald. It might even be true, who knows, but didn't your mother ever tell you what happens if you lie all the time and then try to tell the truth?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/01/2018 06:48

Trump Organization gave Russia-related documents to Mueller, Capitol Hill

edition.cnn.com/2018/01/04/politics/trump-organization-documents-robert-mueller-russia-investigators/index.html?sr=twCNN010418trump-organization-documents-robert-mueller-russia-investigators0209PMVODtopLink

Washington (CNN)The Trump Organization has provided documents on a range of events, conversations and meetings from President Donald Trump's real estate business to investigators probing Russian election meddling, according to three people familiar with the matter.

The bulk of the information is focused on the period between June 2015, when Trump announced his candidacy, and his January 2017 inauguration.
The information provided in 2017 to special counsel Robert Mueller's team and congressional investigators so far involves the activities of the company's executives as well as meetings and events, including emails and calendar entries, mostly connected to campaign-related matters, according to two of the sources.

The Trump Organization produced records that include information related to the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, the billionaire Agalarov family of Russia, head of the US-based Russian American Chamber of Commerce Sergei Millian, a paid speech Donald Trump Jr. gave in October 2016 to a Russia-friendly policy think tank in Paris, Trump's foreign policy address in April 2016 at Washington's Mayflower Hotel and communications regarding WikiLeaks, two of the sources said.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/01/2018 06:53

Re: lion’s link to the nyt piece on McGahn

Charlotte Clymer🏳️‍🌈
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Roy Cohn, disgusting and inhumane himself, was a longtime mentor to Donald Trump, who subsequently dropped Cohn when he was diagnosed with AIDS and died at the height of the epidemic.

Trump asking "Where's my Roy Cohn?" is sociopathic on several levels.

And

Leah McElrath
@leahmcelrath
"Mr. Trump then asked, 'Where’s my Roy Cohn?'"

Wow.

Trump bemoans the lack of a personal fixer – aka someone to obstruct justice on his behalf.

A must-read (even if you're mad at the @nytimes, as I am):

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/01/2018 07:05

Renato Mariotti
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THREAD: Do the revelations in today’s @nytimes article, including Trump’s order to his White House Counsel to stop Jeff Sessions from recusing himself, aid Mueller’s investigation of obstruction of justice? (Short answer: Definitely.)

1/ Today @nytmike of @nytimes published this article discussing Trump’s efforts to stop Jeff Sessions from recusing himself from the Russia investigation and how his decision to fire @Comey came about.
2/ The article indicates that at Trump’s orders, White House Counsel Don McGahn tried to convince Sessions not to recuse himself. This is very unusual. Lawyers recuse themselves when there is a conflict of interest or an appearance that they couldn’t be fair.
3/ Why did Trump care so much about whether Sessions recused himself? According to the article, Trump said that he wanted Sessions to “safeguard” him, as he believed other Attorney Generals had done.
4/ This is really important because Mueller is investigating whether Trump obstructed justice by firing Comey with “corrupt” intent. In other words, by acting with the intent to unlawfully impede the investigation.
5/ To prove someone’s intent, prosecutors often ask jurors to make inferences from what the person said or did because we don’t have a magical telescope that can look inside their brain.
6/ Trump’s statements about Sessions’ recusal can raise an inference that Trump wanted Sessions to impede or stop the Russia investigation. Mueller could argue that this suggests that Trump had the same intent when he fired Comey.
7/ None of Trump’s conversations with McGahn are privileged, and I expect Mueller asked him tough questions about why he followed Trump’s order. Even if Trump could argue that he didn’t understand recusal, McGahn certainly did and knew that Trump’s request was unethical.
8/ McGahn’s actions are in stark contrast with another White House lawyer, Uttam Dhillon, who withheld information from Trump about whether he could fire Comey in an attempt to prevent him from doing so. As the article notes, that is highly unusual.
9/ It is unethical for a lawyer not to counsel a client regarding his legal options or to mislead a client about his options. Dhillon’s decision to do so in this instance suggests he was deeply concerned about Trump’s desire to fire Comey.
10/ Dhillon could testify about his concern, and more importantly, about the facts that prompted his concern. The article doesn’t fully discuss what Dhillon saw and heard, but Mueller could ask him. Dhillon’s testimony could be very important.
11/ It’s worth noting that if Dhillon thought Trump was obstructing justice, the proper course for him to take would have been to inform Trump that firing Comey could be a crime.
12/ Today’s article also notes that the first sentence of the original letter firing Comey, which Trump asked Stephen Miller to write, mentioned Trump’s claim that the Russia investigation was “fabricated and politically motivated.”
13/ That also suggests that the Russia investigation was Trump’s motivation for the firing, which he famously admitted to Lester Holt in an interview after initially claiming otherwise.
14/ The Times article also notes that after Comey’s firing, a Sessions aide looked for dirt on Comey, which the Justice Department now denies. That is interesting because it could show Sessions’ involvement in an attempt to discredit a witness against Trump.
15/ That would be highly improper, given that Sessions is the head of the agency conducting the investigation and recused himself from the investigation.
16/ Overall, the main conclusion to draw from this article is that the Trump’s statements to McGahn strengthen the obstruction case against Trump, and Dhillon could be an important witness for Mueller. /end

Saffronwblue · 05/01/2018 07:09

Coming late to the party to share Australia's excitement that it was our very own fopppish Downer who got drunk with Papadopoulos and got the lowdown on Russian involvement.

www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/alexander-downer-becomes-unlikely-celebrity-as-australia-gets-dragged-into-russia-scandal/news-story/0ded71c35690624a69d67926db645c85

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/01/2018 07:12

You screwed up by sticking around after you were asked to lie about crowd size at your very first presser, spicer.

Spicer: 'I screwed up' in comments about inauguration crowd size, Hitler
thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/367490-spicer-i-screwed-up-in-comments-about-inauguration-crowd-size?amp&__twitter_impression=true

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/01/2018 07:15

Trump’s aggressive first phone call to turner suddenly makes s big more sense now saffron.

theclaws nicknames for trump are being bandied about, with one of the most popular one being “dementia don” I still prefer twat

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/01/2018 07:19

Comey's original Clinton memo released, cites possible violations

thehill.com/policy/national-security/367528-comeys-original-clinton-memo-released-cites-possible-violations?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Tea Pain
@TeaPainUSA
Hold fast, Patriots! The GOP is leakin' anything they can find to distract from Trump's treason and obstruction by smearin' Mueller's #1 obstruction witness, James Comey.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/01/2018 07:24

Got to love a bit of the Streisand effect. Most of his presidency has been one massive backfiring after another though, so at least it’s consistent

James Hasson
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Few better examples of the Streisand Effect than the WH trying to kill the Wolff book (which isn't to say the book itself is entirely credible) and creating massive publicity for it in the process.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/01/2018 07:27

The Hill
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Tony Blair: I never told Kushner that Trump was under British surveillance hill.cm/5H0mdZb

Roussette · 05/01/2018 07:56

Gre, at links everyone.

And welcome ginandtonicformeplease!

Love Bette Midler's tweets...
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Trump & Bannon have turned on each other BIGLY. It’s impossible to pick a side. It’s as if Cancer & Ebola got into a fight.

3:05 pm - 4 Jan 2018

Fekko · 05/01/2018 07:57

That was funny from Bette!

blueskyinmarch · 05/01/2018 08:22

I see they have released Fire and Fury early. It is on Amazon and I could have a copy by tomorrow. I am tempted even though I reckon it will be badly written sensationalism. Anyone else tempted?

Fekko · 05/01/2018 08:24

I am! We will be fighting over it in Casa fekko!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/01/2018 08:26

Very! But I still have an untouched “what happened?” to get through, as well as a pristine and virgin “how to stop Brexit”, so I’m refraining for now. I’m enjoying all the parody excerpts on twitter though and shall just have to live vicariously perhaps through you blue!

BiglyBadgers · 05/01/2018 08:34

I just object to any of my money potentially going to Steve Bannon (not sure if he is getting any royalties from sales). Yuk!

lettuceWrap · 05/01/2018 08:34

My copy of Michael Wolff’s book is on preorder from Amazon, think the UK publication date is still 9th January? I may just have to wait until Tuesday unless they decide to ship early.

Re the Trump-Bannon falling out, this article is from Newsthump, my favourite satire magazine...

newsthump.com/2018/01/03/alt-right-children-left-upset-at-being-forced-to-choose-between-their-two-dads/

BiglyBadgers · 05/01/2018 08:36

Or even giving the impression I want to listen to anything he says. I feel a bit grubby just thinking about having anything that contains his words in my house.

Roussette · 05/01/2018 08:36

I read a huge clip of it yesterday, I should've linked it... so will just keep reading scraps online

blueskyinmarch · 05/01/2018 08:49

I see i can only pre-order it in the UK. I have done so and await my delivery on Tuesday with anticipation. January is looking very quiet so i will have lots of time to read it.

I have to confess the really political bits of what is going on mostly passes me by - i am a social scientist at heart! I am interested, in some weird and grotesque way, in Trump and what makes him tick.

BerylStreep · 05/01/2018 10:27

Hello all - had to step away from the threads for a bit.

Will spend this evening catching up on this one. My Friday night guilty pleasure!