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Trump 2018: Resistance is Never Futile

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lionheart · 29/12/2017 18:34

To pick up on the Star Trek motif.

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lionheart · 03/01/2018 13:08

Yes, a good strategy.

I really like Pavlovitz, too. Smile

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 13:32

On that note, this is something he's done, rather than said. Studying the Cold War and detente was the thing I most enjoyed at school but not to the extent that I'd want to enter a nuclear proliferation again. Although I am confused as to why Trump is pursuing this, given his congeniality towards Putin to date.

President Trump Is Developing a Missile That Would Break a Nuclear Arms Treaty With Russia

time.com/5085257/donald-trump-nuclear-missile-russia-treaty/

Buried inside the mammoth $700 billion defense bill President Donald Trump signed last month is a relatively miniscule $25 million to fund development of a new road-mobile, ground-launched cruise missile. The program could be easily overlooked amid the Christmas list of military hardware the administration is buying, except for one thing: the missile is prohibited by a 30-year-old Cold War arms control agreement with Russia.

The research and development on the medium-range missile is intended to serve as a direct response to Russia’s deployment in recent years of its own treaty-busting missile. U.S. intelligence first recognized Moscow’s potential violation of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty when the Russian missile was still in test phase. The Obama administration worked unsuccessfully to persuade the Kremlin to stand down the program. Now the Trump administration has decided to respond with a missile of its own.

Trump and his aides say their nuclear moves are necessary to show the world America means business. Christopher Ford, senior director for counter-proliferation in Trump’s White House declared the administration’s new, muscular approach in late November, when he identified for the first time the Russian missile that violated the INF treaty as a “Novator 9M729”. “We are now returning compliance enforcement to U.S. arms control policy,” he told an audience at the Wilson Center in Washington. Ford said the administration’s “confrontational” and “newly tough-minded approach” was proof that Trump was committed to arms control and non-proliferation.

But arms control experts worry about the consequences of undermining a long-standing nuclear treaty. The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, first signed by President Ronald Reagan and Soviet Union leader Mikhail Gorbachev in December 1987, was the first and only nuclear arms control agreement that ever eliminated an entire class of nuclear weapons. The treaty forced the superpowers to scrap more than 2,600 missiles with ranges 310 to 3,420 miles—weapons considered destabilizing to the European continent because their capability to launch a nuclear strike from anywhere without early warning.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 13:40

I think a storm is coming...the tweets, the attacks on the press, the nuclear war stuff would suggest shit's about to go down (not meant in a Menschy way, just that the smear efforts have definitely been ratcheted up and it might be indicative of this). And then there's the more everyday dog whistle stuff too

Some Trump Supporters Think Mueller's Grand Jury Has Too Many Black People

The racist attack on the federal grand jury in D.C. adds to the ways the president's backers are trying to discredit the Russia probe.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/robert-mueller-grand-jury-trump-blacks_us_5a4c2efce4b0b0e5a7a9621c

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 13:43

Shutdown threat revived as Congress returns

Congressional leaders and White House officials will meet to hash out a budget agreement they’ve put off for months but can’t delay anymore.

www.politico.com/story/2018/01/02/congress-trump-government-shutdown-320227?lo=ap_b1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 14:01

Could this be it? It's not what I was expecting if so, it must be said

Trump Tower meeting with Russians 'treasonous', Bannon says in explosive book

Former White House strategist quoted in Fire and Fury, by Michael Wolff
Bannon: ‘They’re going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV

amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff

PerkingFaintly · 03/01/2018 14:21

ShockWell that's... interesting from Bannon.

Back when Bannon was sacked several centuries ago weren't we looking at the fact that he (and more importantly the financial backers, eg Mercers) were attempting to ditch Trump while still claiming the brand name, Trumpism? Trump had betrayed his own revolution, but that's OK because Bannon would continue to enact Trumpism™?

Because that sold better to the voters than Facism-Led-By-A-Guy-Who-Doesn't-Wash.

BiglyBadgers · 03/01/2018 14:39

Just saw that article on the guardian. Gosh!

I think this is the real start of Trump's base starting to turn against him. We will see massive amounts of revisionism from his backers as they attempt to turn the story around and wipe their hands clean.

I'll be interested to see how Breitbart spin this and what direction they take in regards to Trump and the treason allegations. I think they are still a strong force with a certain group of trump's supporters and can set a tone for far right reporting.

BiglyBadgers · 03/01/2018 14:41

And, yes, as perking says this is dumping the man not the ideology. They will say he has been compromised and brought down by corruption around him. That the ideas are sound, just Trump was weak.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 14:54

Pé Resists
‏**@4everNeverTrump**

Steve Bannon isn't turning on Trump for a good reason.

Bannon WANTS to bring down the US Government. Getting Trump elected was just one step towards his goal.

He still works for the Mercers and had top-secret access to US's secrets for seven months.

Pé Resists
@4everNeverTrump
Bannon isn't complaining that the Trump team is treasonous, to be clear. He's complaining that the Trump team didn't get Breitbart involved in the treason.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 14:55

James Comey
‏*@Comey*
Where are the voices of all the leaders who know an independent Department of Justice and FBI are essential to our liberty? “You are not only responsible for what you say, but also for what you do not say.” — Martin Luther

PerkingFaintly · 03/01/2018 14:55

Where "the ideas" are the long-held ambitions of the Mercers, Bannon and racist, ultra-right ideologues seeking the repeal of regulatory protection and return of the robber barons.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 14:58

It's not a particularly effective way of wiping his hands clean though

“Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad shit, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately.”

Bannon went on, Wolff writes, to say that if any such meeting had to take place, it should have been set up “in a Holiday Inn in Manchester, New Hampshire, with your lawyers who meet with these people”. Any information, he said, could then be “dump[ed] … down to Breitbart or something like that, or maybe some other more legitimate publication”.

GingerIvy · 03/01/2018 15:12

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Where are the voices of all the leaders who know an independent Department of Justice and FBI are essential to our liberty? “You are not only responsible for what you say, but also for what you do not say.” — Martin Luther

GingerIvy · 03/01/2018 15:12

whooops. missed that it was posted already

GingerIvy · 03/01/2018 15:14

Now if people would quit cheering for Romney. He is NOT a good choice.

Roussette · 03/01/2018 15:16

I was just about to link James Comey's tweet too, that man always nails it.

Great links everyone, thank you. I read the Guardian article, it wasn't what I was expecting either. 45's endless almost incoherent babble of tweets are meaning something I'm sure.

BiglyBadgers · 03/01/2018 15:59

It's not a particularly effective way of wiping his hands clean though

I had meant clean of Trump rather than clean of dirty shit. Bad choice of words I admit. Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 16:05

You say Trump, I say dirty shit...what's in a name? Wink

This is a powerful read

‘THEY SAID THIS DAY WOULD NEVER COME’

crooked.com/article/said-day-never-come/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 17:23

I can’t find the original source but

Peter Alexander
@PeterAlexander
SIREN: "Steve Bannon was certain that after the (July 2016 Trump Tower) meeting, Trump, Jr. had taken the participants to see his father," per excerpts from new Michael Wolff book, "Fire & Fury."
Trump has claimed he was unaware any meeting with Russians took place.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 17:52

Bannon’s not renowned for telling the truth so this isn’t necessarily damning but what is interesting is that he’s clearly happy to wield knives and stab team trump in the back

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 17:58

I’m a bit loathe to post this as it feels a bit crap novel/gossip mag but

Donald Trump Didn’t Want to Be President

One year ago: the plan to lose, and the administration’s shocked first days.

nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 18:00

Manu Raju
@mkraju
Schiff calls for release of Fusion GPS "in light of the selective leaks of Mr. Simpson’s testimony and the misleading manner in which Fusion GPS’ role has been characterized." He says committee should make exception as it did for Carter Page and Erik Prince's released transcripts

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/01/2018 18:32

I’m sorry, I feel like we’re back at school with all the goss but the wh has put out a statement about bannon and despite the “cover his actions, not words” this is really too petty not to share

Trump 2018: Resistance is Never Futile
Lweji · 03/01/2018 18:59

I wonder who wrote that statement for Trump.
It will only be a matter of time until someone else writes a similar one about them.