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Custody of 3 year old son at Xmas?

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Smeags84 · 21/12/2017 11:45

Hi. I'm a dad to a 3 year old son. I split up with his mum in February this year so this will be our first Xmas separated.

Since we split, we arranged joint custody of our son by ourselves. Its worked out fine. After the initial couple of months which were tough, we're now friends with each other too.

Sorting out Christmasses took longer. We talked about it in October/November, and finally came to an agreement in mid-November. It hasn't been spoken about since we agreed.

My family live in the Wirral, and hers in Manchester. Before we split, we alternated Christmasses. (one year with my family, one year with her family, etc.). Last year was with her family.

Heres where we disagree: Back when we spoke about it, I wanted to alternate Xmas's with our son. And whoever doesnt have him Xmas day gets to spend boxing day and Christmas eve morning with him. And he effectively gets two Christmasses (xmas day and boxing day).
She wants him to spend half the day with each of us. The problem I saw with her way was the distance between us. Its a 60-90min drive. I think thats disruptive to him... I dont think he'd want to spend that time on Xmas day in a car. I also think it would be too busy for him. Last year, he was knackered, with having so many people there, and it being a really busy day. Her way, we'd be doubling the number of people, with him seeing two families, all fussing over him.

We eventually agreed to do my idea, in part because we were able to split his birthday which is only a month before Xmas. It was also agreed I could have him this year because of the fact that last year, we spent it with her family. This was all sorted out mid-November.

Last night, December 20th, she called me, upset, that she wont see him at all on Xmas day and brought up the arguments again.... and we just repeated the stuff we said over and over again, months ago, with her saying she wants to split the day. I'll be speaking to her again tonight.
I'm frustrated because I thought we had agreed, and we've made arrangements now too. Plus, I think this is best for DS. I think her way is just more messing about for him, on an already busy day.

AIBU to just say to her "Look, we've already agreed whats happening on Xmas, and its too late to be trying to change plans" (worded in a nicer way of course).

Appreciate your advice as I'm wondering if I'm being a d**k? I appreciate that its not nice, not seeing your child on Xmas day, but its going to be the same for me next year.

(We did consider other options, such as spending the day together, but this wouldn't work, as we both want to see our families. For me, its pretty much the only time of year I get to see my entire family all together).

Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
QueenAmongstMen · 22/12/2017 16:09

My friend has split with the father of her two children and he has said he doesn't want to see them on Christmas Day (because he just wants to go to the pub and drink) and I find that so sad.

As awkward and difficult OPs situation is at least it shows two parents fighting over who gets the see the child as opposed to indifference.

JacquesHammer · 22/12/2017 16:14

Have you forgotten about a little 3 year old boy in the middle whose had to deal with his parents break up who are now bickering over him like he's a prize to win. It's shameful

As awkward and difficult OPs situation is at least it shows two parents fighting over who gets the see the child as opposed to indifference

Make your mind up...

QueenAmongstMen · 22/12/2017 16:25

I stand by my point. The parents should put the 3 year old first and share the morning, but at least both parents want him as opposed to one of them not being bothered like in some cases.

JacquesHammer · 22/12/2017 16:27

The parents should put the 3 year old first and share the morning

Neither of them drive. Which poor sod gets dragged in to sort that out?

TabbyTigger · 22/12/2017 16:30

My DD12 has never been with both parents on Christmas Day and every Christmas has been a very happy affair.

Really, it’s too late to change the plans now. Her wobble is understandable but I don’t think she should expect the whole situation to be re arranged because of this, especially as you split childcare 50/50.

40andFat · 22/12/2017 16:34

Be really sympathetic he’s 3 and she wants to see her baby on Xmas day. Like you say this will be you next year.
Any chance of a changeover on Xmas day night? Just for a little bit till he’s older. It’ll all get easier with time. 🎄

QueenAmongstMen · 22/12/2017 16:37

The parents should put the 3 year old first and share the morning

Neither of them drive. Which poor sod gets dragged in to sort that out?

Well maybe this year the dad could stay at the house over Christmas or he could do as he suggested and invite her over to his family so they can all still have Christmas together.

They've then got 12 months to learn to drive (medical conditions outstanding) in order to try and make things easier on them both for future Christmasses. I just think it would be nice for the boy if on his first Christmas since his parents broke up he got to enjoy the day with them both of them, that's all.

JacquesHammer · 22/12/2017 16:39

Be really sympathetic he’s 3 and she wants to see her baby on Xmas day

He's the OP's baby too: exactly the same relationship.

youarenotkiddingme · 22/12/2017 16:43

I agree with you.

However I know many woman who refuse point blank to have their children elsewhere Christmas Day - because of the most of the care argument.

My DN has xmas day with sister and always has Boxing Day with Dad.

QueenAmongstMen · 22/12/2017 16:43

Be really sympathetic he’s 3 and she wants to see her baby on Xmas day

He's the OP's baby too: exactly the same relationship.

Which is probably why the Ex has suggested sharing the day unlike OP who isn't bothered that his Ex won't get to see her child on Christmas Day.

JacquesHammer · 22/12/2017 16:45

Which is probably why the Ex has suggested sharing the day unlike OP who isn't bothered that his Ex won't get to see her child on Christmas Day

And the year after he won't see his son on Xmas Day....or is that ok because he's only the father.

The question isn't the fairness of arrangements. It's whether it's reasonable to try and change them with 4 days to go.

Julie8008 · 22/12/2017 16:55

Sharing Christmas day is just a recipe for disaster. What happens when the child says, "why cant mummy stay here all the time, like we did at Christmas".

Does either of them have new a boy/girl friend on the scene? Would they think it healthy to know their partner was spending the night with their ex?

The child seems to already be used to spending several days without seeing one parent, they are not going to explode if they dont see both parents on this one day of the year. Santa can deliver to more than one house.

The magic of Christmas lasts for more than one day and millions of children with separated parents are just as happy to show their mummy the presents that Santa brought them on boxing day.

The Op deserves to have a whole Christmas day with his child to create nice memories that aren't tainted by the woman who abused him. She will get an equal amount of time with her child the next Christmas day.

QueenAmongstMen · 22/12/2017 16:55

I imagine christmas would be shared next year too.

Perhaps OP should tell his family that he's happy to visit them on Boxing Day but on Christmas Day he wants to be home with his son, and the Ex could do the same.

I think when the child is a bit older than things can be re-looked at but at such a young age I think it's unfair on either parent to go without seeing their child.

The OP has said he and his Ex are friends so maybe he should show her some Festive kindness and understanding and not make her spend this Christmas apart from her son and just spend the day together.

HermioneAndTheSniffle · 22/12/2017 16:56

B’days are very different though. You rarely do a b’day on the exact day of the b’day because it’s likely to be very unconvenient. Plus soon enough, he will be at school etc....
So you can’t compare that with Christmas which is one day with all the presents open8ng etc...

T h what we have done is to explain that Santa knows he will be at X and Y. He also knows it’s gard to take everyth8ng back and forth so has left th8ngs at different places.
That way the children have been opening presents to two different places and get the ‘oh wow’ factor in two different places.

HermioneAndTheSniffle · 22/12/2017 16:57

YY about the fact the OP can delay seeing relatives to Boxing Day wo any issue. He just needs to have a chat with them. And it does t have the same emotional relevance than for 3yo

QueenAmongstMen · 22/12/2017 16:58

.... to soend the day with his child to create nice memories that aren't tainted by the woman who abused him.....

The woman who he describes as his friend you mean?

givemesteel · 22/12/2017 16:59

My DD is nearly 3 and there is no way I would agree to not spending Christmas day with her. This is the first Christmas she kind of gets it and is excited etc.

If I was divorced I'd agree to have ex-h there for part of the day but no way would I agree to boxing day, just not the same.

Don't really understand the joint custody thing as surely at some point one of you will have to be the primary home for schools etc. Which most of the time would be the mum.

Agree with pp that the primary carer should get Christmas day but accommodate the ex to join for presents at least (so long as they are not abusive etc).

So, yabu, sorry.

KarmaStar · 22/12/2017 17:03

Stick to your arrangements,if it were the other way round she wouldn't like it.the little boy is obviously much loved and well cared for and you have his best interests at heart,not just your own so she needs to accept this.the little one will love having two Christmas days!the travelling will upset him I'd imagine.
Be firm but kind with your ex.
Good luck

40andFat · 22/12/2017 17:04

Queen I know he’s the OPs baby too which is why I suggested Xmas day night. I think not seeing a 3 year old is tough. First Xmas apart and probably the first they’ll really understand the magic. OP sounds like a lovely reasonable guy I think there’s a compromise to be had.

QueenAmongstMen · 22/12/2017 17:07

40sndfat - I think you're confusing me with another poster. I am 100% in agreement with you Grin

WhooooAmI24601 · 22/12/2017 17:09

Sharing Christmas day is just a recipe for disaster. What happens when the child says, "why cant mummy stay here all the time, like we did at Christmas".

DS1's Dad and I split when he was 5 months old. He's now 12 and neither Ex nor I have ever missed a Christmas Day with him. It's entirely possible that it could work for some families. I'm married, Ex has a fiancee who also comes with her own DS, MIL and her DP are here each year as are my Mum and her DH. It means everyone gets to see DS1, everyone gets to feel like they're important and nobody has to miss out. It's not perfect but it's absolutely not a recipe for disaster.

QueenAmongstMen · 22/12/2017 17:18

I agree whooo - my parents split up when I was 5 and me and my sisters still saw both parents on Christmas Day. As the years passed my mom used to invite my dad, and his partner, over for Christmas lunch and it was perfectly fine.

My parents divorce was not amicable, and unlike the OP they didn't consider themselves as friends, but they would still never have prevented the other parent seeing me and my sister on Christmas Day.

natwebb79 · 22/12/2017 17:28

I'm pretty shocked that so many posters are saying that the OP should spend the day with somebody he had to leave because they physically attacked him. I'm confident that responses would be different if the OP had been a woman and the violent ex a man.

QueenAmongstMen · 22/12/2017 17:35

I'm confident that responses would be different if the OP had been a woman and the violent ex a man.

Maybe....

...but I can't imagine an abused woman would agree to 50/50 childcare with her violent Ex and I'm pretty sure she wouldn't refer to him as being her friend either....

....but OP doesn't seem to have that problem...

JacquesHammer · 22/12/2017 17:36

I'd love to know as a matter of interest how many posters who are saying "I could NEVER spend Xmas away from my kids" are separated?

I'm about to spend Xmas away from mine. Ex's family live 90 mins away, we've always treated Xmas as larger break not a few days.

you just recalibrate your thinking, I'll have DD from 27th onwards right into January. We have a far, far better time having a run of days than a bitty broken day when we're constantly clock watching.

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