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Trump thread # 100 “Cannot you see that I, too, have a tall and beautiful person?”

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TheClaws · 16/12/2017 06:25

Roman Emperor Nero wrote the above in a manual titled ‘Care of the Hair’. Nero was tyrannical, vain and cruel, and thought little of the lives of others. He also liked to erect buildings and carve his name into them. Smile if only we could learn well from the past.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3104707--Uneasy-lies-the-head-that-wears-the-crown-as-it-should-be-Trump-thread-continued

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PerkingFaintly · 26/12/2017 12:15

Morning!

Pain, Brew for your fuzzy head and thank you for your excellent link work this morning.

saga, now there's an old Tweet that does deserve retweeting.

lionheart · 26/12/2017 13:56

Donald J. Trump

Verified account

@realDonaldTrump
31m31 minutes ago

WOW, @foxandfrlends “Dossier is bogus. Clinton Campaign, DNC funded Dossier. FBI CANNOT (after all of this time) VERIFY CLAIMS IN DOSSIER OF RUSSIA/TRUMP COLLUSION. FBI TAINTED.” And they used this Crooked Hillary pile of garbage as the basis for going after the Trump Campaign!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/12/2017 14:07

This didn’t get taken on board then

Washington Post
@washingtonpost
Trump hears Christmas sermon about "the power of words"

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/12/25/trump-hears-christmas-homily-about-the-power-of-words/#click=t.co/y2T2751wFH" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/12/25/trump-hears-christmas-homily-about-the-power-of-words/#click=t.co/y2T2751wFH

More trump falsehoods:

Axios
@axios
NEW: A quick fact check for President Trump's incorrect claim that his tax cut "essentially" repealed the Affordable Care Act.

www.axios.com/trump-doubles-down-on-false-claim-about-repealing-aca-2520055498.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

And

Washington Post
@washingtonpost
Analysis: When Trump forbade a Christmas tree — and other forgotten stories from the "war on Christmas"

ImtheChristmasCarcass · 26/12/2017 14:10

Oh God. Will someone please take his phone off him?

We had (by mutual agreement) a Scrotus-free day yesterday. Other than using his name as an insult we didn't do any political discussions. And whenever a news program came on and we saw him or any of his ilk there was a mad dash to flick the remote. Far better a rerun of 'Homicide Hunter' ("A Very Kenda Christmas") than Scrotus.

Today, it's back to reality. Unfortunately.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/12/2017 14:17

More Russia news:

Scott Rose
@rprose
U.S. may impose new sanctions on billionaires close to the Kremlin in Feb., but oddly enough, still no obvious rush to move assets back to Russia...

Putin Tries to Lure $1 Trillion Home as Sanctions Fear Grows

www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-12-26/putin-tries-to-lure-1-trillion-home-as-sanctions-fear-deepens?__twitter_impression=true

And

Russia willing to mediate US-North Korea talks: report

thehill.com/homenews/administration/366458-russia-willing-to-mediate-us-north-korea-talks-report?amp&__twitter_impression=true

And

Kremlin: Russia election boycott campaign may be illegal

apnews.com/ace1ed4068104a329b1deaf38c0c717a

And

Russia establishing permanent presence at its Syrian bases: RIA

apnews.com/ace1ed4068104a329b1deaf38c0c717a

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/12/2017 16:04

Michael Isikoff
@Isikoff
Security alert: U.S. officials warn whistleblower who revealed Russian Olympic doping scandal that Russian agents may be in U.S. looking for him, per the whistleblower's lawyer

As Putin seethes over Olympic ban, doping whistleblower fears for his life

www.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/putin-seethes-olympic-ban-doping-whistleblower-fears-life-100019751.html?__twitter_impression=true

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/12/2017 16:28

Orrin Hatch
@OrrinHatch
Grateful for this great Christmas honor from the Salt Lake Tribune. For the record, I voted for @SpencerJCox and @rudygobert27. #utpol

[The actual article, if you look beyond the headline which hatch clearly didn’t do, calls for hatch’s resignation because of how awful he is Grin www.sltrib.com/opinion/editorial/2017/12/25/tribune-editorial-why-orrin-hatch-is-utahn-of-the-year/ ]

Trump thread # 100 “Cannot you see that I, too, have a tall and beautiful person?”
cozietoesie · 26/12/2017 17:14

....You call him home....Grin

lionheart · 26/12/2017 17:38

You'd think he'd have a minion to actually read this stuff before pushing the 'like' button or posting.

cozietoesie · 26/12/2017 17:49

Possibly not, I fear. Wink

A Beast piece.

The ugly, sad truth behind all those government vacancies

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/12/2017 19:33

Matea Gold
@mateagold
BREAKING: Democrat to file lawsuit ahead of lot-drawing in tied Va. House race

Democrat Shelly Simonds says the disputed ballot that made her tied with incumbent David Yancey never should have been counted.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/virginia-politics/on-eve-of-drawing-to-determine-winner-in-tied-va-race-democrats-announce-plans-to-sue/2017/12/26/a94a2f5a-ea3b-11e7-9f92-10a2203f6c8d_story.html#click=t.co/nTbFybojBH" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/virginia-politics/on-eve-of-drawing-to-determine-winner-in-tied-va-race-democrats-announce-plans-to-sue/2017/12/26/a94a2f5a-ea3b-11e7-9f92-10a2203f6c8d_story.html#click=t.co/nTbFybojBH

lionheart · 26/12/2017 20:27

Seth Abramson‏Verified account
@SethAbramson

(THREAD) 20 Things Guilty People Do That Trump Does Daily

As a former criminal defense attorney, I've sat in rooms candidly discussing crime with thousands of criminals. I know what "consciousness of guilt" looks like. Trump exhibits it daily.

I hope you'll read and share this.

#1 DEFLECT BLAME. Criminals seek others who may have conducted themselves poorly in order to unload or distribute blame rightly assigned to them. Trump does this with ex-aides like Manafort, Flynn, and Papadopoulos, who he presents as little known by him and/or having gone rogue.

#2 ALLEGE A CONSPIRACY. Criminals will claim a conspiracy as the cause of their problems. The most common conspiracy alleged is between witnesses or members of law enforcement. Trump repeatedly alleges that government officials and law enforcement officers conspired against him.

#3 COMPLAIN ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT. Criminals want to talk about the investigation itself, rather than what and who the investigation is investigating. Trump obsessively complains about aspects of the investigation against him that don't actually change the underlying evidence.

#4 TAMPER WITH WITNESSES. Criminals will often seek contact with known witnesses either to convince them not to testify, to change their story, to remain loyal to the defendant, or to intimidate them. Trump did this with Flynn, Yates, Comey, McCabe, Sessions, his son, and others.

#5 DISTRACT ATTENTION FROM THEIR ACTIONS. Criminals eagerly discuss subjects beyond their pending case when doing so distracts from their criminal liability. Trump's war on "fake news" and unhinged tweetstorms distract attention from an investigation threatening to take him down.

#6 REFUSE TO ANSWER VALID QUESTIONS. Criminals refuse to discuss, sometimes even with a lawyer, inculpatory facts, whether things they said, decisions they made, or actions they took. Trump has successfully evaded answering even the most basic questions on what he knew and when.

#7 EXHIBIT FALSE CONFIDENCE. Criminals often assure allies and defenders that there's nothing to be found against them and they'll shortly be exonerated, even when nothing in the facts supports this view. Trump's wild claims that he'll soon be exonerated fall into this category.

#8 USE "EVEN IF" ARGUMENTS. Criminals often float self-aggrandizing hypotheticals in the form of bet-hedging: "Even if I did X, it wouldn't be illegal, or I would've been justified..." Trump does this most flagrantly when discussing whether he told Flynn to negotiate with Russia.

#9 PLAY DUMB. Criminals will claim to have no knowledge of things they obviously would have known about. Trump claims to have known absolutely nothing any of his aides (even his own sons) were doing with the Russians, a claim that strains credulity well past the breaking point.

#10 EXHIBIT UNUSUAL AGITATION. Criminals exhibit anger in response to warranted criminal accusations; in my own experience, innocent people react to false accusations with signs of confusion, fear, and depression. Trump has responded to Mueller with rage and false self-assurance.

#11 LEVELING NEW ACCUSATIONS OF IDENTICAL CONDUCT. Criminals accused of, say, assault will often level new claims (even unrelated ones) that someone else is guilty of assault. Trump regularly accuses people of the lying, cover-ups, and treasonous conduct he stands accused of now.

#12 OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE. Criminals will try to slow the investigation against them, including by refusing to speak or delaying speaking to investigators. Trump not only won't speak to investigators, he's tried to fire, get reassigned, or force into retirement those investigators.

#13 AVOID GIVING EVIDENCE UNDER OATH. Criminals are smart enough to know that they must never be placed under oath on the subject of their crimes. Trump, despite saying in the Rose Garden that he'd speak to Mueller under oath, has thus far refused to make good on that assurance.

#14 DENY SIMILAR PAST CONDUCT. Even though criminal defense attorneys have access to clients' criminal records, criminals often attempt to downplay or deny their criminal pasts. Trump has denied provable and known frauds, perjuries, and clandestine foreign contacts from his past.

#15 TELL UNNECESSARY, GRANDIOSE LIES. Criminals lie out of fear; they tell grandiose lies out of a false belief they can orchestrate their exoneration. Trump's lies about how he conducted himself at the Ritz Moscow in 2013 (grandiose and quickly disproven) are an example of this.

#16 DRAW OTHERS INTO THEIR COVER-UP. Criminals are so focused on their own survival that they needlessly draw innocents into their schemes for self-salvation. Trump uses others (including attorneys, spokespeople, aides, and family members) to spread lies about his Russian ties.

#17 TRUST ONLY FAMILY. Criminals, especially those who've participated in a conspiracy, necessarily operate within a small circle of trust. Trump has surrounded his business dealings with family members and attorneys to make it unlikely or impossible that anyone will rat him out.

#18 PLAY WITH LANGUAGE. Criminals know statutes are well-defined, so they get cute with language to seek out wiggle room in their criminal liability. Trump uses word games, misquotations, false definitions, and linguistic misdirection to undercut precise legal terms and concepts.

#19 SEEK DODGY ALLIES AND PARALLEL INVESTIGATIONS. Criminals recruit dodgy witnesses or pursue suspect lines of inquiry to evade probes whose just administration they know will catch them. Trump uses House allies, Fox News, and dodgy pals to build a wall of allies around himself.

#20 UNDERSCORE SUPPORTERS' AFFECTION. Criminals hope that, if they don't have the facts on their side, they can at least get others to say they're a good person. Trump pumps up supporters' adulation, praise, and encouragement at every turn to transform popularity into innocence.

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(BONUS) DENY KNOWN ASSOCIATIONS. Criminals deny knowing people they believe they can credibly deny knowing, if knowing them would be inculpatory. Trump has done this with Papadopoulos, Sater, Page and many others who he definitely knows but who he fears Mueller has linked to him.

(NOTE) The above applies only to the 5% of arrested individuals who a) did exactly what they were accused of, and b) refuse to admit what they did and then seek a just punishment via plea. Trump is in the tiny minority of criminals who won't take responsibility for their actions.

(THANKS) Many thanks to the excellent David Swerdlick of The Washington Post, who encouraged me to flesh out and publish this analysis, and who saw an early draft of it. And thanks to the many criminal defense attorneys I spoke with over the months while preparing this summary.

TheClaws · 26/12/2017 20:48

I do love that last Trump tweet. “Dossier fake ‘cos my friend said so! Wow!” Idiot.

That is all.

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TheClaws · 26/12/2017 20:54

Russia’s Lavrov calls the US rhetoric on North Korea unacceptable.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/366491-russia-to-us-aggressive-rhetoric-on-north-korea-is-unacceptable

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TheClaws · 26/12/2017 21:09

Fairly sure that’s not how it’s supposed to work, Fox and Adjunct Professor Granfield. Good old fashioned diplomacy, without threat behind it, is the path of the wise.

Fox News @FoxNews 2h2 hours ago
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"In order to have diplomacy work, you do need to have a credible threat of force." -@Georgetown Adjunct Professor @pgranfield on the possibility of the United States having diplomatic talks with North Korea

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Lweji · 26/12/2017 21:20

Fairly sure that’s not how it’s supposed to work, Fox and Adjunct Professor Granfield. Good old fashioned diplomacy, without threat behind it, is the path of the wise.

Hmm. Not sure I agree. Sometimes the carrot works, other times the stick is necessary.
Having said that, NK just seem to want to be left alone and their nuclear programme seems more like a strategy to gain leverage over the countries imposing sanctions.

TheClaws · 26/12/2017 21:34

Joy Villa vs Corey Lewandowski.

thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/366506-pro-trump-singer-files-sexual-assault-report-against-corey

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TheClaws · 26/12/2017 21:43

Lweji My meaning was more that if you were to enter into diplomatic talks with another country, isn’t it better not to go into the room with a big stick (metaphorically)? There is no better way to ensure failure.

That isn’t the definition of any diplomacy I know of.

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ImtheChristmasCarcass · 26/12/2017 21:48

I think NK is the exception to any possible 'rule' regarding diplomacy. Just as a rabid dog is an exception to any rule regarding dog behaviour. KJU would happily destroy himself, his people, and his country before he'd bend. He knows what would await him should he be overthrown as a result of a coup or outside military action.

Teddy Roosevelt said 'Speak softly, but carry a big stick'. I do think that if one is going to be effective diplomatically, one would need to possess either something the other wants or something the other fears. Diplomacy is effectively bargaining. And you can't bargain if you have nothing to offer or withdraw.

The problem with Scrotus et al, is that they don't understand the difference between diplomacy and bullying.

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