To go veggan?

[Reallytired17]

Or will I be detested by vegetarians, vegans and carnivores?

IME many vegans can take a bit of an all or nothing stance, but I do think I would miss avocado and egg on toast. What do people think?

I work with a pescatarian/vegan/vegetarian or what ever

Does it change according to whatever’s on the canteen menu for the day?

I would have suggested reposting on the Vegan boards using ”to go v’egg’an (egg eating)?”

Unless ”veggan” is widely known in the veggie/vegan community, it just looks like a misspelling.

Eat what you want, and call yourself what you like. You'll find that people in real life, as opposed to people sat behind a keyboard, aren't generally inclined to be that vocal about other people's diets.

FWIW I've read this whole thread and think you've taken a bashing (it can be called banter as much as people like, but reading it is slightly uncomfortable and most of it's not as witty, or cool, as the posters obviously think it is) Just move on, unfortunately you seem to be the unlucky recipient of today's 'well that got awkward quick' thread award

Can you get fake eggs these days

Yes you can. A brand called follow your heart are the best selling. Very expensive though.

Just do what you want and don’t give it a silly name.

I’m essentially a vegetarian who very occasionally eats meat. So I’m not a vegetarian but I only eat meat maybe once or twice a month max.
I think nick knowles harped on about it recently, don’t label it.

Butchy, she is so annoying. We had a hot meat and mixed buffet yesterday at work as part of Xmas jumper day and she swanned and shouted "what is here that is vegan friendly Please?" Someone handed her some nuts, crisps rtf and she was like "I'll have to get the packaging out of the hub so I can check the official stats!"

I told her a week before to have a quiet word with the boss so he could give her more options.

I don't know why I typed rtf and hub meant the bin!!

Thanks, ski

I appreciate you saying that.

I don't really understand what kind of response you're expecting though, even on the vegan board? Obviously the ethics behind mass-produced eggs are just as dodgy as mass-produced meat. I'm sure you don't need to be told that.

It's really your own personal decision whether you eat one or the other or neither or both (and cutting out one is always better than cutting out nothing at all).

You'll find that people in real life, as opposed to people sat behind a keyboard, aren't generally inclined to be that vocal about other people's diets.

I think that’s the most sensible advice I’ve ever seen on mumsnet!

FFS VEGGANS AND BEEGANS. I’m out.

Beegans?!
Are we just making words up now, lol?!
Btw, I live with a veggie and was one myself for a few years then went back to the dark side so not some veggie/vegan basher.
WTF is a beegan, can someone please enlighten me

WTF is a beegan, can someone please enlighten me grin

They eat bee products. 🐝 🐝

If you understand why eggs are not considered vegan (which you must, if you’re familiar with an obscure term like ‘veggan’), presumably you don’t need anyone here to spell out the ethics involved.

Veganism is a specific, purist philosophy. It really doesn’t have room for “I won’t eat or use animal products... except for the ones I really like.” If you eat or use any animal products, you’re not a vegan, you’re a particularly strict vegetarian. So actual vegans probably will find you annoying because they will struggle to understand your rationale.

Most omnivores truly won’t care what variation of strict vegetarianism you practice as long as they don’t have to cook you dinner. They will, however, need the word “veggan” explained if you bandy it around, and will probably find it pretentious because it etymologically lays claim to a purist philosophy but makes a significant exception for reasons that aren’t clear.

Vegetarians will find you least annoying, as you are simply a strict vegetarian.

They eat bee products

Ah, thanks, that makes sense. (Well, when you think about it,that is,not the word itself and the making up of words to show that you're still a veggie/vegan when you're not really a veggie/vegan! )
So MIL who eats meat but insists she's vegetarian.
Is she a MeeTarian?

vwlphb-Veganism is a specific, purist philosophy. It really doesn’t have room for “I won’t eat or use animal products... except for the ones I really like.” If you eat or use any animal products, you’re not a vegan, you’re a particularly strict vegetarian. So actual vegans probably will find you annoying because they will struggle to understand your rationale.

I have never met a vegan who doesn't use any animal products, they all have photographs on their walls/desks. All use mobile phones, laptops. Paint their houses etc.
They just choose to ignore that they are using those animal products.

I could go months and months without needing to tell anyone what my preferred diet is. I always find these threads a little bit baffling as it's pretty easy to be vegetarian/vegan/whatever these days without making a song and dance about it.

Or will I be detested by vegetarians, vegans and carnivores?

Only if you - or anyone else in the same boat - bangs on about it relentlessly.

As I get older, I realise that most people genuinely don't really give a shit what other people do/eat/listen to/wear, as long as it doesn't affect them or hurt anyone else.

Blacktea-most vegans will also say it is about intent rather than perfection and will do what they can to be minimising any use of animal products as far as is practical.

A veggan follows the principles of a vegan diet but eats eggs. Hence v’egg’an. Don’t bite my head off because you didn’t know what it meant

It doesn;t mean anything. Stupid nonsense made up word for a stupid nonsense made up thing.

If researched properly, eggs are not good for your body. Its a menstural cycle guys

No it isn't. Very few animals have a menstrual cycle - just a few primates, that's all. Other female animals generally have an oestrus cycle. The menstrual cycle is a specialised example of that.

Biologically, fruits are the ovaries of plants. Nuts are just fruits with hard shells and seeds are just plants in waiting. In fact seeds, when you think about it, are pretty close to being eggs. And yet generally these are all regarded as being good for us (except for the really sugary fruits, which we should only eat in moderation). Much of what we eat is actually a plant's or animal's attempt at reproduction. It's why we eat them - something with the energy and nutrients to help form new life will also sustain current life.

There are many ethical reasons not to eat eggs. And there are health reasons not to over indulge in anything. Going on about eggs as part of a menstrual cycle is just inaccurate and unhelpful.

^ Schooled!

I'm intrigued by the Beegan thing. Do you deep fry them, or poach? Do you have to remove the sting first?

I'm intrigued by the Beegan thing. Do you deep fry them, or poach? Do you have to remove the sting first?

Deep fat fried. Like mars bars.

Actually, I have nothing against bees. Industrious wee creatures. I'll do them the courtesy of not eating them.

Now, wasps, on the other hand...

Lets assume it is possible to have cruelty free & ethical eggs, I can imagine you would have to keep the hens at home as 'pets'. Then the same would be true of meat, happy animals can live a good life and die of old age so why not then eat them? I have no problem with that.

But what are the consequences? Human beings are not perfect, lets say you are a vegan that eats eggs and keeps 'happy hens' at home. Do you then eat eggs when at friends or a restaurant. What about eggs as an ingredient in food? Unless you forgo all eggs apart from your homegrown happy hens at home you will end up consuming eggs that have been raised in cruel or unethical situations.

That also raises the position that you are supporting the eating of eggs and 'normalising' it. Which like it or not will lead to other people believing any sort of egg can be eaten. And you end up supporting battery farmed eggs. All the same effects would be true of 'cruelty free' meat.

So the only real ethical position for a vegan is to have a plant based diet with no meat, dairy or eggs in it. No matter it possible to have cruelty free eggs or meat the consequences of eating them is to propagate the opposite of what vegans are trying to achieve.

Actually, this 'Beegan' thing. People are vegan but 'eat bee products'?

How many 'bee products' are eaten? There's honey...and that's it isn't it? I know pollen is commonly used in some countries but it's not widely eaten in the UK, as far as I know.

Are 'bee products'...honey?

So should it be Hongan? (Hungun?)

Genuinely happy to be corrected!

I would guess it also includes using bee products in non-food items, so things like beeswax.