To go veggan?

[Reallytired17]

Or will I be detested by vegetarians, vegans and carnivores?

IME many vegans can take a bit of an all or nothing stance, but I do think I would miss avocado and egg on toast. What do people think?

Mn has just attracted thick people. No witty clever comments etc. That’s where you said it.

And I’m not blowing my own trumpet. But I definitely said something along the lines of if you want to eat eggs then crack on- that my dear was pure genius.

You’re not sorry for my bad week at all.

I did not say or infer that I thought I was better or worse than you because of the word fuck. I have used the word fuck a few times myself.

I was responding to your point that I was somehow taking the word fuck personally. I was explaining I wasn’t - that the tone of many of the replies would have been equally as rude and unpleasant to read if they hadn’t contained the word fuck at all. I’m not sure how you managed to infer from that the meaning that I believed myself better than you.

I agree with the PP that you seem sensitive to the word “fuck”.

I can’t see any post where a poster told you to “fucking die” so it seems odd that you would introduce such a phrase as an “example” when you’re so averse to swearing.

In any case, you’ve been complaining about your reception since page 2.

If it’s affecting you this much, I suggest either hiding the thread or asking MN to remove it.

Yes, I believe it has. I don’t believe debates of this nature would have happened years ago. Just as robust and just as sweary, but intelligent and witty. The majority of the replies here are neither.

Yes butchy,that was why on that I did clearly say it served as an example not a literal point. My point was that the replies were ridiculously aggressive and unpleasant for a small crime - if it was a crime at all -of using a word people didn’t like.

Anyway, I’m going to have to get myself sorted for the day now. I didn’t intend for this to descend into a massive row; we are now way off topic and I’m feeling like shit :) so shall we wrap it up? In a shell, with yolk naturally.

Hide the thread op. Hide and move on.

But surely I don’t care and why do you care- are valid opinions?

And actually I am sorry you’ve had a bad week. I really am. I don’t like to think of anyone else struggling or hurting even if I don’t know them.

Maybe you should ask for the thread to be deleted as your not getting the response you want

No such thing...don't be a twit

I don’t really want to hide it tbh ... I’d prefer to be able to defend myself. Thanks, though.

Boo, perhaps they are to you. I don’t know.

Late to the thread, but I would eat exactly what you want and explain your preferences only when you need to, for example if someone invites you to dinner and asks what you eat. Avoid labels, especially made-up ones that confuse more than clarify.

Otherwise you risk sounding like those ridiculous people who call themselves vegan but eat shellfish because “they don’t feel pain”.

As a vegetarian of 33 years I find it best not to discuss diet unless necessary. It's not really anyone's business (appear from the obvious - going to someone house for dinner).

I get asked if I want a bacon sandwich every time I meet my brother. Every single time. God its tiring. 'Are ye sure you don't want a wee bite of yummy bacon? It's so lovely - a lovely bacon sandwich. Mmmmmmm. Come on fe, I know you really want a lovely bacon sandwich...'

Last time, then I really will have to face the day somehow.

It isn’t about not getting the responses I want and I’d rather not delete the thread as personally if someone is behaving aggressively, spitefully and in a deliberately provocative fashio, whether that is the OP or posters responding, I prefer for it to stay.

Now, the responses I ‘wanted’ focused on the ethics of eggs but that didn’t happen and that is fine. However, repeated abuse for using a word people didn’t know did start to become a bit much last night and then when I got the wanker comment this morning it did push me over the edge a bit, which I’ve apologised for. I recognise I wouldn’t ordinarily have responded quite so emotionally and that’s obviously my business and no one else’s worry or concern but I still think the responses are rude, snide, unpleasant and above all unnessecary.

So - as far as I am concerned, the thread can stay.

I know nothing about bee keeping for commercial honey so I won't mind being informed told I'm talking bollocks but surely if people didn't eat honey, fewer people would keep bees and plants wouldn't be pollinated unless they were all lab or greenhouse grown, causing massive environmental harm. Eating eggs, as others have said has consequences for male chicks.

Yeah, I have to admit I don’t find the bacon sandwich thing amusing either :)

Yes butchy,that was why on that I did clearly say it served as an example not a literal point

But it didn’t read like that, which is why people picked you up on it. It seemed very disingenuous.

It WOULD have been completely unacceptable for anyone to say that to you. But nobody did. Which was why it wasn’t appropriate to lump it in with things that were being said.

In any case, if you have the thread deleted; you won’t have to “defend” yourself, or continue to be upset by the posts.

Your choice, obv. But if I was being badly affected by a thread I’d posted, I’d ignore or delete.

Before embarking on any dietary change,maybe grasp the basics you're not vegan
So don’t describe yourself as vegan,as then you’ll labour to explain eating eggs
And folk will correctly surmise you're being v pretentious

Butchy, maybe just accept we are not all the same?

But you specifically said what would carnivores vegetarians and vegans think. So you did invite opinion. And I don’t care is an opinion.

I mean you wanted opinion on actually being a veggan but such is the way with Aibu you just got people’s opinion on the word veggan. Because it evoked a response.

You don’t need trendy buzzwords to define yourself.

FWIW my full opinion is I don’t care what other people eat and I don’t expect them to care what I eat. You have to choose your own morals and ethics to live by. There are certain foods I don’t eat due to ethics, some due to intolerances and some I would rather not eat but have to due to the nutrients. I make the best choice I can by keeping hens when I have suitable accommodation and by buying meat direct from farm shops.

If you want to be a vegan that occasionally eats eggs then I can’t see why anyone could criticise you for that. Although I do know a few vegans that would send you YouTube clips of egg farms until you went the whole hog

Opinions - great, fine, fabulous, even if those opinions are strongly worded.

Abuse without relevant opinions - not so fine

It’s not that difficult.

What you see as abuse could be seen as for want of a better word- banter.

Let it go op. The word veggan is a bit wanky. You don’t need a buzzword to describe your diet. Especially one you have to explain.

Although to be absolutely fair to you if you said I want to be a vegan who eats eggs I can guarantee half the posts would say what a wanky thing to say your not a vegan your a Veggan. 😂

Eat what ever you want. But just keep it to yourself.

I work with a pescatarian/vegan/vegetarian or what ever she is that day and all she does is talk about it and preach. It does my head on .

Butchy, maybe just accept we are not all the same?

Clearly not.

You’re someone who spends seven (!) pages complaining about how other posters are responding to her and how upset it’s making her.

Makes no difference to me though. Was just offering a bit of well intended advice.

Why are you on mumsnet if you don't like the word fuck? Seriously? And I stand by my original comment. Eat what you want.

Also, don't start calling people thick, just because they don agree with you. That's offensive.

Why?

Most people go Vegan as a life style to reduce their impact on the death of animals.
To be ovo-vegetarian you are still impacting that quite a bit so I can't see the reasoning behind your choice.

It's like saying that you would like to be vegan but won't make the sacrifice.

And I'd never heard the word veggan either and I am a dietitian specialising in vegan athletes.

Let’s draw a line under it. I do think you should delete and maybe repost in the vegan board. Enjoy the YouTube clips you will be sent when you do so.

Because people are going to read the first message and continue to say why the fuck do you care etc. Because people don’t read the whole thread. And then you will continue to get frustrated and upset. And that’s not fair on you. No shame in deleting and starting again