To go veggan?

[Reallytired17]

Or will I be detested by vegetarians, vegans and carnivores?

IME many vegans can take a bit of an all or nothing stance, but I do think I would miss avocado and egg on toast. What do people think?

On the ethics question two things I would add:

• the vegetarian society when they started (around the Second World War) made the decision that whilst ethically it made more sense for people to be completely vegan (pure vegetarian), they thought it was asking too much of people and the movement would never get off the ground. The world and the way we eat and our access to alternatives is quite different now.

• Peter Singer is a writer you should look at. A comparison that has stuck with me is that when people were talking about the abolition of slavery, the people who owned slaves were losing something. They quite liked having all that free labour and people to work in their fields and kitchens. They probably missed having slaves even if they recognised that it was wrong. So it's a judgement call for you- you know that you think eating eggs is wrong (or arguably wrong, based on what you've said) but you enjoy it.

Btw no judgment in my post. I'm not a vegan, I'm just trying to engage w your question which I read as is it ok to do something which (op) thinks is morally questionable but enjoys. As others have said, it's a moral question for you to determine. Strictly, in terms of pure consistency you probably shouldn't but that's not how life works- and vegetarians/ vegans have been making choices based on practicality since the name was invented. Singer himself is a vegetarian if he's in a restaurant in Paris or at friends etc. Ultimately every bit of animal substance you do not consume is helping.

And your is belonging to you - ‘your eggs.’
You’re is you are - ‘you’re being unreasonable to eat eggs.’

Done.

Sorry Flip you arrived in the middle of my breakdown there :) Thank you

I'm a vegetarian who doesn't eat eggs so kind of the opposite of you OP. My reasons are purely because I'm a fussy bugger and nothing else.

If it was an ethical issue, as it is for you, then I wouldn't be able to I don't think.

However I only really opened the thread because I thought veggan was a typo for vegan and eventually people start posting really great vegan recipes on vegan threads. Not so much on this one though.

Just ignore the posts that offend you. You've posted something on the internet and some people will be rude others will be thoughtful. Focus on the ones that are trying to have a dialogue w you. If you were talking to a group of people in person and some random walked by and muttered 'idiot' you wouldn't chase after them and try to engage w the senselessness of calling you an idiot. You don't carry on talking to the group of people you were...talking to.

I know Flip. I honestly know I am being ridiculous but repeatedly being told I am a wanker is getting under my skin a bit!

No prob Really. It's hurtful but it's the nature of an online forum. Mumsnetters can generally be a very supportive and lovely bunch as I've experienced so just focus on the good and you'll get more of that :)

So out of everything I wrote you picked on my grammar?!?!? My grammar isn’t great and thanks for the correction but also fuck you. As you said yourself language is constantly changing and it’s considered ill mannered to correct somesones speech and grammar as long as they have conveyed an understandable meaning and it isn’t in a formal capacity.

Yes veegan is a wanky term. No more wanky than beegan which you derided as silly.

I’m sorry you’ve had a shittt year but that’s not our problem. You asked whether people would have an issue with you eating eggs- why would you care?

X post.

Sorry to read you're having a shit time in real life OP.

I was trying to insert some lightheartedness into the thread with the veggan/beegan thing, and with the cockroach.

Fuck you too.

Very unfortunate cross post and Boo I retract that ‘fuck you.’ I really, genuinely am sorry. That was unforgivably rude, and the combative nature here out my guard up. I hope you will accept my apology.

We keep crossing posts :)

They're not really calling you a wanker. They're calling some avatar of you that they see based on their own experiences and preconceptions. To some your post may have sounded goady or they've known a pretentious vegan in the past so that's all the stuff that's being called out. It's as much about the person shouting wanker as the person being called one! You know that, all you'll remember once you get some distance. Have some vegan/vegan and go look at some websites on veganuary to kick off your healthy new year! Ps some of the frozen vegan foods in supermarket are amazing. Have vegan friends that I have catered for and been v impressed.

So it’s ok for you to be lighthearted about things but when people give lighthearted digs you kick off.

You actually just a goady veggan fucker lol.

Just rescue some hens and ethically produce eggs. There has the Internet given you the right answer now

NEVer heard of that term. My dad was a very strict vegetarian and tried to avoid eggs, and was careful with cheese too. He didn’t wear or use leather but he just said he was veggie as he wasn’t strictly vegan. Maybe today with the proliferation of free-from products he would have been, but you cant replicate eggs and cheese! Vegan cheese is ok to cook with but not eat ‘raw’.

I think I will become a vegan but still eat cheese and eggs.

Oh wait, that's a not a fucking vegan then.

Just eat what the fuck you want, but you are not anywhere near a vegan if you eat eggs, practically or in principle.

Boo

‘Beegan does sound a bit silly’

‘Eat what the fuck you want, who gives a shit’

Do you see the difference? The former I would happily say to anybody. The latter is just a revolting way to speak to anybody. I seriously cannot imagine ever saying that to anybody unless they’d seriously provoked me and I don’t think using a word people don’t like falls into the category of serious provocation. And I have had hours of it now and I’m sick of it quite honestly.

Now, I can assure you I am not being goady. I think it’s quite goady to hurl abuse at someone, especially when it’s related to I Don’t Like That Word when several posts -not just yours - got your and you’re wrong which is fairly basic. If it’s rude to go on about that, and it is, it follows it’s rude to go on about ‘veggan.’

Thanks for useful posts. Sorry again for losing my shit. Not very dignified.

A lot of vegans have a stage they go through- like an enlightenment almost. Where they wake up and realise the impact consumption of animals and by products can have. Some vegans will make changes to their own life. Some vegans tell everyone and actually get quite evangelical about it. And it’s annoying. Hence anything around veganism often gets a pretty passionate response.

My main point has always been no one cares what you eat. Live your life the best way you can and let them live theirs.

I personally think you should become a beeveggan.

Thank you for your apology, digging at someone’s grammar is rude and inappropriate and I’ve done it myself in the past. Then I saw a friend leave this forum after someone did it to her when she genuinely needed help just because someone ripped her grammar apart. So now pick up on it every time.

Actually, I think it’s true. MN has changed. I think we’ve just attracted thick people who think it’s oh so cool here because they can swear.

There’s only a handful of clever, reasonable and witty posts here. Most are just swearing. Yeah, carry on. I’m sure you think you are just so badass and cool because you said fuck to someone on the Internet

Yeah, well I reckon it’s time for me to go the same way as your friend. If it is rude to go on about your and you’re, which it is, it stands to reason that picking and pecking - pun intended - about a term they don’t like is also rude, and it’s certainly rude to call someone a wanker, to say ‘eat what the fuck you want ...’ but like I say, some people got to say Fuck on the internet.

I think you may see the word fuck as particular sensitive to you. But no one does give a shit what you eat. No one cares. No one gives a fuck. No one has an opinion on it. That doesn’t mean they don’t give a shit/care/fuck or have an opinion on you. It’s just a phrase that you have taken personally. Your beegan silly comment actually derided a whole group of eaters who follow a similar philosophy to you so was insulting and didn’t come across well.

Your and you’re again who gives a fuck. I try hard to get my grammar and spelling right but I’m human I cock up. I know the difference but in the grand scheme of things you got my understanding. Getting you and you’re mixed up doesn’t make me less intelligent than you and therefore negate my opinion.

I am again sorry you’ve had a shit year. Maybe you can try again and tell us why you are worried about what other veggies etc would think? But if you continue on this thread just accept that people will read the first op and nothing else and continue to write things like ‘who gives a fuck’ it’s not personal.

No, I don’t, I just don’t appreciate ‘who fucking cares’ and ‘what the fuck are you on about’. They would be just as rude without the word fuck. I didn’t say I had had a shit year by the way but a shit week. Anyway if you wouldn’t mind leaving it there I would appreciate it.

So because I swear- I’m less intelligent? You consider yourself better than me because of the word fuck. Well fuck me up the arse with a cactus.

Sorry, where did I say that?

Well maybe you should ignore what you don’t care about. And I’m sorry for your bad week. And can’t resist saying that a bacon sandwich usually cheers me up- try that?