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That Britain should rethink BREXIT

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WallisofWindsor · 06/12/2017 12:14

David Davis admitting that the impact of Brexit will be equal to the credit crunch should surely make the country revisit the decision.
Why put your country through such a difficult period?

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MrsLupo · 06/12/2017 18:23

Anyone can claim anything they fancy, doesn't make it a fact.

Not sure whether to laugh or cry at the spectacle of this dazzling aperçu coming from a Leave voter.

Zevitevitchofcrimas · 06/12/2017 18:24

Completely disagree that EU will implode, its stronger than ever

Hmm

In what way? In that its talking itself in terms of ever greater political union, an army etc,. Thats just the EU talking itself up in its little bubble. Someone mentioned youth un employment earlier - Juncker gave them a rail card Confused

The Far Right is thriving in the EU under the conditions its people are being forced to live under.

Zevitevitchofcrimas · 06/12/2017 18:27

Remainers - did you think a slick team would suddenly materialize and flick switches and we would be living in leave land?

I don't understand.
Its a process - its going to be hard, we are going to have shit people in the lead and shit people all over the place just as the EU itself has, as every revolution, massive change has.

Its a process to go through. It wont go anywhere however with people in the government actively working against it. TM is totally tied by her party, by people in parliament who dont want to respect the vote.

I think Frank Field was right when he said the Government needs to be put on a war footing with every member behind Brexit to get us the best deal.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 06/12/2017 18:29

The £40bn to the EU will be borrowed, if at 3% that's £1.2bn interest.

Borrowed?

The whole amount?

Why?

We currently pay app £18bn a year to the EU gross, the £8bn is the net amount that we contribute every single year, so your 'sums' from upthread are off by a few billion.

allegretto · 06/12/2017 18:30

The Far Right is thriving in the EU under the conditions its people are being forced to live under.
What all of them? The very fact that you group all nations togetherand talk about its people is a clear sign you don't really know what you're talking about!

allegretto · 06/12/2017 18:32

Remainers - did you think a slick team would suddenly materialize and flick switches and we would be living in leave land?
Actually I had pretty low expectations, just not this low.

makeourfuture · 06/12/2017 18:33

the Government needs to be put on a war footing with every member behind Brexit to get us the best deal.

Well that is extreme.

allegretto · 06/12/2017 18:34

Well that is extreme
Exactly! So muchfor democracy.

ImNotWhoYouThinkIAmOhNo · 06/12/2017 18:36

The LibDems are calling for an 'exit to Brexit'. Just Google it if you want to add your name.

Humpsfor20yards · 06/12/2017 18:38

did you think a slick team would suddenly materialize and flick switches and we would be living in leave land

Nope, I thought a key player in the leave campaign - the brexit secretary - would have done impact assessments - not have pretended to have done them, then reveal that nah, he couldn't be arsed.

The fact that people defend this dereliction of duty tells us all we need to know about them - and it's all bad.

JustAnIdiot · 06/12/2017 18:39

It's an absolute mess.

The referendum was supposed to garner opinion, not launch us into an immediate plan to leave.

The margin was much too small - 60% minimum would have been more sensible.

The leave campaign was full of lies, the £350 million per week for the NHS on the battle bus being the most obvious.

Boris Johnson looked horrified that he'd actually won, so he ran away - stupid man, just trying to raise his own profile.

makeourfuture · 06/12/2017 18:40

And the basic tenet of democracy is that votes count, not that the losers get to demand another go if they don't like the result.

There are no tenets saying people can't ask for another vote.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 06/12/2017 18:45

TrinitySquirrel thanks for correcting me. I'm sure you got as much out of it as I did.

And having lived my life and experienced it for myself, on the balance of probability it was the recession.

Humpsfor20yards · 06/12/2017 18:45

Those experts on democracy here, How long is the ban on new referendums for?

JacquesHammer · 06/12/2017 18:56

And the basic tenet of democracy is that votes count, not that the losers get to demand another go if they don't like the result.

The basic tenet of democracy allows people to discuss politics including requests for further action.

ByThePowerOfRa · 06/12/2017 19:07

And the basic tenet of democracy is that votes count, not that the losers get to demand another go if they don't like the result.

So, the results of the original referendum in the 70s still stands then does it?

CheeriosEverywhere · 06/12/2017 19:21

And the basic tenet of democracy is that votes count

NI and Scotland both voted to stay in, why don't their votes count?

DrivenToDespair · 06/12/2017 19:25

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BrexitBritain · 06/12/2017 19:30

What’s the problem? Brexit is all going so well! Britain is striking out as a buccaneer on the world stage! We don’t need to pay to be part of the club - German car manufacturers want to sell us their cars and Italians prosecco, so we’ll get the same access as now but for free!! Who needs common air travel agreements, common medicine agreements, food standards, financial passports? Don’t they realise how much harmonised regulations interfere with our sovereignty?

Why do we need to assess the impact at all? Only remoaners trust experts, they just need to believe in Britain. With Fox, Davis and May in charge, we’re in safe hands!

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 06/12/2017 19:35

People are only quoting Nigel Farage's 'if it would be 52% remain then I'd call for another referendum' trope because it suits their agenda. They have no problem (rightfully) deriding him for his ridiculous stance on well, everything... yet keep quoting his 52% thing as if that is some kind of official indictment that there should be another referendum.

That baffles me. The man is an idiot so stop using his point to justify your own because it makes you look just as silly.

JacquesHammer · 06/12/2017 19:54

The man is an idiot so stop using his point to justify your own because it makes you look just as silly

The man is a waste of space yet he was the "figurehead" of the Leave movement. Hence why people are quoting his statements back to his sheep followers

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 06/12/2017 20:03

Well no, they're not, they're using his silly statement as some kind of reason why there should be another Referendum. As if anything he says is valid anyway. That's the point, it isn't, so what he says isn't really viable to be used for an alternate position either.

I think using words like 'sheep' and 'dullards' is very much part of the reason that people are turned off discussing these threads. Does it really achieve anything to make these little side-swipes?

JacquesHammer · 06/12/2017 20:06

Not my job to keep people "turned on" a thread. But then I assert that it's easy to suggest "I'm so turned off, I'm not engaging" when you actually have no sentient point to make.

It's part of the Leavers' charter don't you know Grin

squoosh · 06/12/2017 20:12

Does it really achieve anything to make these little side-swipes?

What exactly do you think a thread on MN can achieve? This catastrophe is in motion so you will excuse me if the victim mentality of certain Leave voters is not uppermost on my list of concerns.

makeourfuture · 07/12/2017 06:43

Are they doing the research now? Have they started?

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