That Britain should rethink BREXIT

[WallisofWindsor]

David Davis admitting that the impact of Brexit will be equal to the credit crunch should surely make the country revisit the decision.
Why put your country through such a difficult period?

Isn't that a figure from the people who gave you "350m back a week to spend on the NHS"?

No, app £8bn is the net contribution, post rebates etc.

£350 million a week was the gross fixture - that adds up to app £18bn

What to we get for 8 -10 bn that the country’s that pay little to nothing in ?

Yabu

Sorry, was ment to say what do we get extra for the 8-10 bn that we pay, compared to the country’s that pay little or nothing in ?

What to we get for 8 -10 bn that the country’s that pay little to nothing in

Stable markets. Peace. Frictionless trade. Harmonised, rational exchange.

But they get the same for little or nothing.

Frictionless trade and Stable markets are worth more than most people realise.

My business was effected by the last recession. Lots of people I know went out of business. One friend I know is likely to close her business after Christmas. It's very quiet out there.

Many people barely survived the last recession and those that did haven't had time to recover before facing another.

Today I'm fucking angry.
And yes this was all boringly predictable. As I said to my leave campaigner aquaintance before the Referendum - if leave won, Cameron would resign and then it would be chaos.
Decades to recover.
The brexit vote was a vote for decades of unhappiness.

Our fees pay and paid & will pay for Agencies that manage...
medicine
aviation
radioactive substances, including stuff used for medical treatment
The Eur. Centre for Disease Prevn and Control
Research grants
banking regulation
Maritime safety
fisheries
food safety
environment...

And a very very long list of others here.
But hey ho, 52% voted for "sovereignty" instead of efficiency & international cooperation with our nearest neighbours. Woohoo.

Apparently paying £8 bn a year net is entirely reasonable according to Clegg et al.

I disagree, but each to their own.

17.4 million people voted leave, the largest number voting for anything in this country's history and 1.3 million more than voted to stay, despite the river of lies, threats and misinformation put out by the remain campaign and their various pro-elite, anti-British EU stooges.

The referendum was binding because Parliament said it was, Cameron said it was, the government's pro-EU propaganda leaflet said it was and Parliament has since treated it as such.

And the basic tenet of democracy is that votes count, not that the losers get to demand another go if they don't like the result.

Yes, the negotiations are a farce because of the duplicity and vindictiveness of the EU and the cowardice and incompetence of May and Davis, but we are still leaving, almost certainly without a deal which is fine for the UK but not so good for Germany, France and Spain.

The fact that, nearly 18 months on, many remain voters still cannot come to terms with the democatic result of the referendum says more about them than about Brexit, all of it bad.

@theworldisfullofidiots affected.

Might not have just been the recession.

You missed out things like 'specialised cheese storage' & needless schlepping from Brussels to Strasbourg every month from your list of stuff lljkk.

I would have less of a problem being a net contributor if there wasn't a load of money being pissed away needlessly.

I've just realised Vivienne meant EU will implode. I thought she meant Brexit will implode, which is why I said yes it will. Completely disagree that EU will implode, its stronger than ever. Ironically Brexit has bonded the EU countries, quite the reverse of what the Leavers wanted and predicted.

We are committed.

Just because the road we are on happens to lead to a cliff edge is no reason to pause, or even turn back. We must stick to this decision!

I for one am taking comfort in knowing that some of the people orchestrating this shit show will no doubt get very rich as a result

What consolation that will be as I zoom into negative equity, job loss and worse. Truly, they had someone’s best interests at heart

Yes, the negotiations are a farce because of the duplicity and vindictiveness of the EU I don't think you should be looking to the EU to find examples of duplicity and vindictiveness. They are much closer to home!

Even today, as the divine brexit leader is once again shown to be a lazy liar who doesn't know what he's doing, they persist.

It's all the Eu's fault!

"The fact that, nearly 18 months on, many remain voters still cannot come to terms with the democatic result of the referendum says more about them than about Brexit, all of it bad."

One of my greatest worries about Brexit is that the British government are signalling that they will use the opportunity to get rid of environmental laws. This is likely to have a very bad effect on both this country and the world at large and the damage done may well be irreversible. Are you really saying that we should not point this out, because that is unfair on the people who voted for Brexit?

Yes I did mean the EU will implode. I think now there are fewer countries giving more then France and Germany will foot a lot of the bill and they won't like that. Then another crisis in Greece or maybe Italy or Spain. And why do we never hear about youth unemployment in these countries. Don't expect these young people are getting much out of this oh so wonderful EU. They've got to screw us for as much as they can now as it's their last chance. I'd have told them to whistle for it like Boris said. Wouldn't trust them an inch.

WhollyFather

Exactly - but some people only agree with democracy if it goes their way.

"The fact that, nearly 18 months on, many remain voters still cannot come to terms with the democatic result of the referendum says more about them than about Brexit, all of it bad

I wouldn't say 'couldn't come to terms with the result' is correct. I would say most remainers are deeply worried about the future postbrexit.

Anyway, tell us what it says about them, 'all of it bad.' Im intrigued.

The 50 impact assessments - that David Davis talked about- don't even exist. Are you pleased he is the brexit secretary?

Exactly - but some people only agree with democracy if it goes their way.

I’d adore it, if I was wrong - genuinely! I’d eat my words with a big old smile on my face. It’s not about being a sore loser. I really couldn’t give a shiny one about being validated in my decision to vote remain. All this “woooo I win, you lose, you’re just annoyed you lost” stuff is completely and utterly irrelevant.

We would save £8bn a year.

The £40bn to the EU will be borrowed, if at 3% that's £1.2bn interest.

So we only save £6.8bn, but that's before the higher inflation that the public sector has to bear, because the £ is weaker. Which if 1% on most areas excl debt interest, transport and social security is 1% on approx £550bn, or £5.5bn a year.

So we save only £1.3bn, assuming that the loss of tax revenues from those whose jobs move elsewhere is counterbalanced by reduced benefits to those who don't come here.

So on that basis the public finances are only better off in about 2045. Never mind the impact on the rest of the economy, or possibly on the peace in Northern Ireland.

Worth a rethink- stay in the customs union and possibly parts of the single market? Yes I think.

I don't believe the Brexit vote should have been put to the public. That is not the same as not believing in democracy.

@WhollyFather, who would you like to lead the govt & negotiations, then?
I mean, someone on the Leave side must have inspired you with their model leadership & vision of the future. Do tell us who to turn to.