That Britain should rethink BREXIT

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David Davis admitting that the impact of Brexit will be equal to the credit crunch should surely make the country revisit the decision.
Why put your country through such a difficult period?

Who needs those impact studies anyway?
We already see the effects of Brexit - namely the droop in value of the pound (and the arrival of those pesky foreigners) that has already cost the economy millions! Making everything that little bit more expensive.

Brexit is the most important issue facing Britain currently. I find it and and that people think its dull to discuss it and that it is seen as tedious moaning. So tedious to moan that Britain's future and my childrens future is looking bleak!

I am losing my job shortly due to Brexit so I feel that I have the right to moan and hope that the leavers will create new jobs for all of us who lose our jobs and make sure the loss of revenue from my taxes are covered.

moany whiny Remainers spewing the same sort of rubbish over and over, ad infinitum, ad nauseam

I know, when you compare us to those pleasant, courteous, well informed Leavers who are forever coming up with new and original discussion points, making excellent use of robust evidence to support their points , never moaning or whining about anything, certainly not being in the slightest way derogatory to those who disagree with them, it's shameful .

Let’s just forget the whole thing shall we? After all democracy is a bit "meh", as we like to say a lot on here.

Let's just leave it up to our much more benign, sophisticated and expensively educated betters ...

Crackednips, if you have made a democratic family decision to go out for an afternoon's boat trip and suddenly realised that the person who assured told you the weather would be calm hadn't actually checked the weather forecast, would it not make sense to reconsider your decision?

Or would you insist on going anyway because the storm warning that had, in fact, been issued had been made by an expensively educated meteorologist? Can you even call it democracy when the people voting have not been issued with the facts?

Is this really what democracy looks like?

I struggle to see why those who so ardently oppose membership of Europe are so threatened by suggestions that know we have a better idea what Brexit will look like, maybe we should check what people think?

Unless they are concerned that this isn't really "the will of the people" and that faced with reality the 5% who made their majority may decide it isn't really what they want after all.

I voted out. But we weren't told the EU would want £50 billion protection money. They're a bunch of crooks. IMHO. It will all implode eventually.

Enough with this not been issued with the facts malarkey -- it's very patronising.

Your boating analogy could apply to any referendum, election.

How would a second referendum even work by the way? How would you then know what to do with the results? For example, if it was a vote to Leave standing at 65%, does that give the government the go ahead to play complete hardball because the vote to Leave has increased meaning more people now support it? If Remain wins does the first one just get cancelled? Or would it be one of those best out of three scenarios? Who would be paying for this second referendum? And what will the EU be doing whilst all this is going on?

People keep saying that the vote was only advisory. I don't know if it was or not. But let's not pretend that during the run up to the vote and afterwards, it was made clear by both sides that whatever the vote was the government would honour it. If they just scrapped the referendum and stayed in the EU, there would be political uproar. (In fact, I see why so many Labour voters want this to happen now = nobody would ever vote Conservative in this lifetime and we get to stay in the EU)

I only want another Referendum if it's a resounding Remain.
I would be relieved to get Norway model, now.
I guess folk like me will be forced to settle for whatever we get.

I will always wonder what would have happened if the Brexiters had just swept into all positions of power.

PMQT this afternoon she was still rolling out the same old trope anout how we will leave the customs union and single market but still have no border with the EU and still she keeps her plan for this secret, bit like how David Davis kept his impact assessments secret.

Jesus Christ, how gullible do folk have to be?

"I voted out. But we weren't told the EU would want £50 billion protection money. They're a bunch of crooks. IMHO. It will all implode eventually"

Yes we were, and yes it will, but not because of EU wanting "protection money" aka UK standing by financial commitments already made.

I voted out. But we weren't told the EU would want £50 billion protection money. They're a bunch of crooks. IMHO. It will all implode eventually

It's not "protection money" (what does that even mean?) It's your bill. And the information was freely available, when we tried to tell you you called it "Project Fear" and said it was all lies. And now you are all surprised about the reality that you didn't want to know about then.

This UK arrogance that the EU will collapse without you is insane. You aren't a major power anymore, why do you think you needed to join the EU in the first place?

It does make me shudder when I read stuff like... Too complicated to put to vote. The evolving relationship we had with the eu was too complicated and should have been put to vote long before it came to ever closer political union.

Anyone, anyone whatever their politics must be mortified by David Davis's performance today. How could you not be?

Viviennemary- there was always a cost to Brexit. That money is part of pre- existing commitments, the same as the subsidies the UK will be receiving from the EU till the leaving date.
The fact that the leave campaign never mentioned that, is in itself a poor statement for them. On the other hand, everyone with a few brain cells could see this coming.

It does make me shudder when I read stuff like... Too complicated to put to vote
But it was too complicated. The majority of people did not understand the implications of what they voted for. You can see it on this thread, leavers keep saying "we didn't know about X, Y and Z".

"you" as in 'you people'. Viviennemary is one individual...

Collective you, yes, rather than personal you.

The evolving relationship we had with the eu

The nature of the European Union has always been teleological. It was formed for a purpose - to end, through free trade, conflict in Europe.

This has always been known.

Forgive me- but may I ask how much or what Britain was losing while still a member of the EU? Was it so bad?

App £8bn a year.

App £8bn a year

Isn't that a figure from the people who gave you "350m back a week to spend on the NHS"?

Lots wrong with the EU, as well as lots right with it. Anyone saying their side is 100% right is deluded.

Agree with this, but it's not something you hear from the vocal minority (both sides)

Brexit could have as big an impact on the British economy as the 2008 credit crunch, David Davis today said. The Brexit Secretary said quitting the Brussels cub will amount to a 'paradigm change' on a level with the biggest financial slum since the Depression of the 1930s. He made the extraordinary comment as he was called before the Brexit select committee to explain why no impact assessments on leaving the EU have been carried out by Whitehall

It WAS far too complicated for a yes/no. The alternative was to abstain and appear not bothered.

That's why there was no right answer, only a more wrong one. And I'm not sure if we did that or not.