That Britain should rethink BREXIT

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David Davis admitting that the impact of Brexit will be equal to the credit crunch should surely make the country revisit the decision.
Why put your country through such a difficult period?

Presumably moneys coming from the EU will dry up, regulatory harmony or no.

Part of our own money anyway, so no biggie.

so no biggie

Are you being serious?

It won't matter if it's no biggie Leavers, it's what you voted for. Well, let's see if Westminster delivers the goods. HS2 money for a rail line which will suck more into London? Oh yes. Much needed upgrade for the Trans Pennine route? Forget it. Subsidies for Cornwall? Go whistle as BoJo said. Yep, I expect more of the same.

I wonder if or whether Westminster will bother to make those subsidies good for them?

Unlikely as it would entirely depend on whether there are Tory votes in it.

I wonder if UK hill farmers whose precarious incomes up to now have been shielded by a powerful European farming lobby and benefited from EU subsidies, preferential trade deals, and access to cheap seasonal labour, will look upon the withdrawal of EU subsidies as "no biggie" when they find themselves having to fight for a slice of governments funds with departments such as health and education.

Money which I confidently expect to stay in the South East. Not that everyone is wealthy in the South East, mind you.

Objecting to Brexit isn't sneering. It's stating facts.

Sneer - to smile or state something in a contemptuous manner.

Well (a) Remainers aren't smiling and (b) if we're stating things in a contemptuous manner, it might be because when we stated them in a non-contemptuous manner before the referendum, people told us we were doom-mongers.

This entire enterprise is a colossal waste of time, cash and resources.

Some will have voted leave to get rid of the forriners.
Some will have voted remain so that tarquin and cressida can sell drugs in magaluf without getting a work visa.

This is why yes no referenda on complex things are a bad idea.

There is no way places like Sunderland, Cornwall and Wales will be supported by this government over the powerhouse of the SE although I suspect they’ll work to minimise financial harm to the large Northern cities such as Manchester and Liverpool to show they aren’t so SE centric. The government will prioritise the finance sector above all others because it represents 1/3 of tax revenues. However, the leave voting areas will not be able to complain because essentially they voted to reduce the pot. But I guess they did say that it was a price worth paying. Still can’t quite believe that they voted to make themselves poorer but hey ho it’s done now.

So the referendum is an excuse to continue saying 'stuff not-london'?

That's nothing to do with the EU, it is all our dickhead politicians at the beck and call of the money movers.

I cannot understand why some people seem to think that the EU is some sort of protective figure, shielding poor, vulnerable citizens of the UK from the evil that her politicians would unleash.

We send in excess of £8 bn a year net contribution to the EU - that's a huge amount of money that would be better spent here.

Do you trust the current bunch of no-hopers in government to actually spend the money where it's needed? I don't. They haven't so far. I won't believe it even if it's written on the side of a bus.

We send in excess of £8 bn a year net contribution to the EU - that's a huge amount of money that would be better spent here.

You could give the NHS like 350 million more a week....

Stupid question - (before you yell at me, I didn't vote) - if not being in the EU is such a death wish and will send this country back to the 3rd world, then how do Norway, Switzerland and the rest of the world cope?

They don't have to disentangle themselves (given the shitshow so far, how's that going to work?) and didn't make aggressive noises about freedom of movement meaning banks and people relocating etc.

I don't think it's a stupid question but I don't think there's a simplistic answer either, though the Leave literature and posters might have some sound bites about taking back "control".

You could give the NHS like 350 million more a week....

Not with £8bn per year you couldn't

Either your maths is a bit rusty, or you're being deliberately provocative - who knows?

Regardless, it's £150 million per week (net) that we give away at the mo - not a small amount at all.

We send in excess of £8 bn a year net contribution to the EU - that's a huge amount of money that would be better spent here.

Michael Heseltine's response to this is:

This is the saddest of all the many claims that those who want to leave Europe have made… The argument is: if we come out, we save 7 billion pounds a year. But, of course, it doesn’t work like that. There are two countries – Norway and Switzerland – who are not members of the European Union but have got trading agreements of the sort that we would have to renegotiate with Europe. And, if you actually look at what they pay for their trading agreements, it’s quite obvious that there would be very little saving, if any, for Britain, because we would have to agree as part of the new negotiations the cost of entry to that market.

But, you know, there is one fundamental difference. Norway, and Switzerland – although having access, and paying for that access – get told the conditions upon which their industrialists can trade. If we put ourselves in that position, we know that the French, Germans, Italians, Spanish, other industrial countries within the European Union, would set the rules, and they would tell us what we had to do. By being a member of the Single European Market, we help design the rules. So, A) We wouldn’t save any money. And B) We would be told what conditions would apply to us.

We send in excess of £8 bn a year net contribution to the EU - that's a huge amount of money that would be better spent here

What money though? How much will it COST when you leave? To access the markets you need, the huge ongoing costs of extracation? All the new things that are going to cost money?
And even if you did suddenly have an extra 8bn a year, do you actually think the tory gov would let you see a penny of it?

Not to quibble, but why can't we all retain EU citizenship?

British people won't retain EU citizenship as the UK won't be in the EU.

NI citizens can choose Irish citizenship if they so wish. Ireland isn't leaving the EU, so of course Irish citizens will retain EU citizenship, just like French citizens will.

The only way for NI people not to retain their EU citizenship would have been to tear up the GFA and remove their right to Irish citizenship. That was never going to happen. This isn't some new thing decided today.

According to the handy sums another remainer did, if we paid the same as Norway per head for 'contributions outwith access payment' it works out to app £4bn.

That means we'd still save app £4bn a year compared to now (if we went down that route at all).

If Michael Heseltine thinks £4bn is small change then he's pretty out of touch.

Not to quibble, but why can't we all retain EU citizenship?

Cos you're leaving the EU. Please don't tell me you voted?

What money though? How much will it COST when you leave? To access the markets you need,

Well there's the remaining £10bn we also pay in at the mo to use for that, isn't there?

You do realise that not all members are net contributors, don't you?

We'll need that 10bn to prop up the failing economy and bribe the DUP.