That Britain should rethink BREXIT

[WallisofWindsor]

David Davis admitting that the impact of Brexit will be equal to the credit crunch should surely make the country revisit the decision.
Why put your country through such a difficult period?

Sorry, took me so long to type that, that thread has moved on but my post was in response to the discussion of the advisory referendum and the supposed "majority" vote.

Agree that "missing" impact assessment shenanigans is very dodgy indeed!

Can someone tell me something - if we leave with 'no deal' in March 2019 does that mean there won't be the transition period?

I imagine not but the Govt keeps things so murky and unexplained that perhaps there is this contingency in place already ... perhaps but maybe that's 'unimportant' too?

So to be clear: The Impact Assessments That Aren't will be untrustworthy FAKE NEWS because they've been not written by those dreadful UnBeLeaving anonymous civil servants and hidden machinery, who can't be trusted with our Glorious Future.

But also: The people should have confidence that Brexit negotiations are all going perfectly and we ought not question any part of the proceedings because UnBeLeaving will Make Brexit Difficult, because they are in the hands of a highly skilled and competent government hidden machinery who can be trusted with our Glorious Future.

Should I take from this that somewhere in Whitehall there is a signboard like this:

Traitorous UnBeLeaving Remoaners to craft anti-Brexit LIES and Talk Britain Down -->

*True Patriots to show BullyingPunishingEUSSR who's the Real Daddy by the Power of Positive Thinking

Even without everything else, I can't understand how even the most ardent leave voter can look at Theresa, Boris and all the rest of them and think "this is going so well, and I can't wait until they have much more power and no oversight or assistance from anyone else!"

aren't you worried?

Yes, Crackednips, they are "summaries" as I said. The first one looks at a few studies, all but one of which seem to indicate a poor outlook. Needless to say they all accuse each other of having their figures wrong.

The "This Week" one referred to The Guardian and a FT article I can't access, but which was quoted as saying Davis told the Exiting the European Union Committee that “publishing a series of sectoral impact assessments would undermine the UK’s negotiating position and potentially reveal sensitive information”

Perhaps you'd prefer this one (posted on another thread) its actually an EU assessment of Brexit?

Bound to be unbiased.

www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/595374/IPOL_STU%282017%29595374_EN.pdf

What is it in that report you do not agree with? I presume you have read it before you are complaining about it?

Rebecca, if there is no agreement, I think (in theory) that means no trade with the EU or with other countries using the EU framework, a hard border everywhere (including between Ireland and NI) and a long delay while the UK negotiates trade deals with other countries.

It seems it could be fairly nasty

I don't think the EU will force the UK "out" under those circumstances. I think they've been pretty understanding so far, and will continue to do so despite the likes of Reese-Mogg and others making fairly despicable remarks about Ireland and the EU and anyone else he can find to blame

And the fucking great WTO rules. Can't someone somewhere put out a tick box chart to show what will change from our current situation. Something extremely simple is all that's needed. 4 columns: rule, WTO explanation, EU explanation, effect. It might make it clear to fuckwits who think that they can just waltz into every other country and start trading that the rules are pretty much the same just not on as good terms as we have at the moment.

I don't think it will do any good. Leavers seem unable to realise that the Irish border problem and the Good Friday Agreement are OUR problems. They can't even get their heads around the fact that the GFA is enshrined in international law and it's not the EU 'bullying' us.

I am worried yes...May's utterly hopeless, a reasonably crafty one I grant you, she's set up D Davis as her fall guy.

My main problem is that - it's an assessment of the impact on the EU.

RebeccaWithTheGoodHair As a leaver I would like to stay in EU with controlled immigration, no job don’t come ( unless holiday , study) no access to NHS etc till 5 years of paying into the system, pay for your treatment, insurance,no council or housing association house only private rent,
But the EU won’t allow this, so I voted out, I would fully expect the same conditions for ex pats,
I still find it amazing that people do not realise the pressures of 3-5 million migrants have placed on our already creaking infrastructure ( not migrants fault, governments) should have got the infrastructure right to begin with before mass immigration, Just remember uk citizens that have left to return at any time, It’s hard to get the infrastructure right when you don’t know and can’t control numbers of people arriving.

My main problem is that - it's an assessment of the impact on the EU

Of course it is, it's by the EU and for the EU. It also includes impact on the UK though.
you didn't read it.

Thanks Maryz that is what I thought would happen.

I agree with you that I don't think the EU will push us off that cliff, it's the only thing I could possibly agree with a leaver about is that we are an important market to them and it is in their own self-interest to keep us reasonably stable. I also think the EU is fundamentally decent and no doubt agog at what we are doing to ourselves. They keep giving us leeway to try and sort something out, we keep fucking it up and then insulting them, insinuating that the problems are their fault.

I despair.

My faint hope is that the entire Govern mentioned implodes and the next occupants pause the process until they have actually decided what they want.

I doubt any of them are unbiased in the true sense of the word, Crackednips. The one you linked to is the Economic Impact on the EU, not the Economic Impact on the UK, which is what most people are talking about here.

No-one has asked the UK to care at all about the economic impact on the EU. Apart from some British politicians telling Ireland (and the rest of the EU) to "put up and shut up".

But if there (from the LSE link) there are ten "papers", nine of them have fairly similar (negative) results and one has a very positive result, it's fair to ask what was different about the tenth. And who financed it.

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I read some of it..I hardly expect them to give us an unbiased assessment on it, do you? What am I saying???

I'd prefer if we have to have one at all, it be a third party or better yet, a few of them to get a better and more accurate idea of the impact on Brexit without one side or the other trying to paint a picture that some want to see.

I know, my mum has a friend who reads tea leaves, maybe we could ask her?

As a leaver I would like to stay in EU with controlled immigration

say what? You had it, we weren't part of Schengen, but you can't expect the EU to change one of its fundamental principles just for us.

You won't have controlled immigration now - have you seen what India will want as part of its fabled trade agreement with us??

Personally I have no problem with immigration whatsoever. I don't even have a problem with the thousands of retired expat Brits who will come back needing access to the NHS but no longer paying taxes.

user1486062886 it is the UK's choice and the UK's choice alone if immigrants are not charged to use our NATIONAL health service. Nothing at all to do with EU. Nearly every other country in Europe manages to do it.

I am amazed that people don't realise that the immigrants are propping up our health service. We have actively chosen not to train enough of our own population for health care work across the sectors of medicine, nursing and midwifery. We have an aging population, who increasingly need more nursing and medical care.

I read some of it..I hardly expect them to give us an unbiased assessment on it, do you? What am I saying???

In what way is it biased? They aren't giving it to the UK, its for the EU. There is no reason for them to report anything other than the truth. There is no need for bias or slant. What advantage is there to the EU to spend a lot of money on a report that lies to them?
There isn't one.

I don't even have a problem with the thousands of retired expat Brits who will come back needing access to the NHS but no longer paying taxes.

This may not be true, even the State pension is taxable, but if that's all the income you have it's covered by your personal allowance. What is true is that returning 'ex-pats' who are elderly are much more likely to make demands on the NHS than younger migrants do, as well as significant numbers of them keeping the NHS running.

“publishing a series of sectoral impact assessments would undermine the UK’s negotiating position and potentially reveal sensitive information”

Yes you really wouldn't want our fantastic negotiating position with its resounding successes so far to be undermined by actually telling the country what they are planning/hoping blindly to achieve.

The sensitive information presumably being that overwhelmingly sectors will be adversely effected.

I've tried to accept brexit, as it was democratic vote.

However, just like the democratic vote that elected Trump as president, all it has proved is that as people - we collectively make stupid decisions that a variety of reasons.

Brexit should be halted, stopped, scrapped. It is a complete farce. It makes no economic sense whatsoever.