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That Britain should rethink BREXIT

652 replies

WallisofWindsor · 06/12/2017 12:14

David Davis admitting that the impact of Brexit will be equal to the credit crunch should surely make the country revisit the decision.
Why put your country through such a difficult period?

OP posts:
Zevitevitchofcrimas · 07/12/2017 10:49

The UK has always been able to opt out of so much of the EU stuff, but you can't willingly sign up to things and then complain about actually having to do them!

Hmm who willing signed up to FOM? I didnt? NO one I know did?

I know way back in the 70@s DF voted for something to do with trade....

curryforbreakfast · 07/12/2017 10:49

But MP’s supported our right to vote on such a complex issue and we did

Hence the problem. They got the public to vote on an extremely complicated issue that almost nobody really understood, and they lied to them all to make it even worse. Then they treated it as binding when it was not.

Why are you not angry about being used and taken advantage of like that?

HamishBamish · 07/12/2017 10:49

It's going to be a complete disaster. I don't believe a lot of people had any idea of the implications of their vote and given their chance again would vote differently.

I think there should be another vote given the seriousness and the implications becoming clearer to the majority.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/12/2017 10:53

That’s an assumption I am not angry

I am at the MP’s that blindly supported the referendum and were so out of touch with voters that they didn’t consider the vote would be to leave

curryforbreakfast · 07/12/2017 10:53

who willing signed up to FOM? I didnt? NO one I know did?

Your country did. You elected MEP's to make decisions for you. That is the democracy you are so proud of!

I know way back in the 70@s DF voted for something to do with trade

Do you know anything at all about the history of the EU vis a vis the UK?

corythatwas · 07/12/2017 10:54

mothertruck, a lot of us don't live in big houses in London, with well paid secure jobs

Working-class area of Southampton here, salary below 20k, and have just been informed of prospective job cuts which will all be effectuated at the lower end of the scale, which happens to be where I am. I couldn't afford to send my dc to nursery, let alone employing a nanny.

I am still quite able to see that if the economy takes a nose-dive, it will be the poor who suffer. If environmental laws go, it will be the poor who suffer. If laws for protecting workers go, it will be the poor who suffer. If food gets more expensive, due to over-fishing, less favourable trade agreements and a falling pound, it will be the poor who suffer.

LaurieMarlow · 07/12/2017 11:12

mothertruck I have sympathy for your situation, but your argument doesn't stack up.

It's well documented that areas with the most immigration are the most pro immigration, not the other way around. Our own government are responsible for the lax employment laws that make this country so attractive to immigrants, not the EU.

As has been pointed out the poor suffer the most when the country is in economic decline. As we lose our passporting rights in the city, the financial sector goes with it taking an enormous amount of tax revenue out of the system, directly impacting social services and the NHS.

It's comforting to blame 'the other' for what's wrong with our society, but in this case that blame is totally misproportioned and will cost us dearly.

And the vast majority of people in London live in shoeboxes not big houses.

Deadsouls · 07/12/2017 11:14

What is the point in stubbornly and blinding blundering forward with this shambles? Why are leavers (some) so resistant to a 2nd referendum on the deal? It’s almost as if they’re worried they’d lose.

All these statements, ‘we’ve had the referendum’, ‘it’s democracy’, ‘the will of the people’ etc etc etc, these statements may be true, but putting another referendum to the public is not undemocratic.

Deadsouls · 07/12/2017 11:17

If people who voted leave really believe in their vote and would vote the same, having another referendum won’t take away from that.

MissionItsPossible · 07/12/2017 11:26

Deadsouls Referendums, as evidenced by this thread and Brexit in its entirety, are big deals and it cheapens and makes a mockery of it having another one less than 2 years later. Perhaps roughly after 40 years, the time taken to get another one from the original vote and significant time to see changes that have occurred because of the vote, there can be another one to rejoin if the EU still exists.

Crackednips · 07/12/2017 11:33

No, you've not explained anything, you've merely offered your supplicant view that the UK electorate should not ever have expected its democratic aspirations to be realised because the EU can't be expected to allow it.

Shame on us for being so impertinent as to ask eh? This seems to be the view of most remainiac sock puppets..

RubMyRhubarb · 07/12/2017 11:34

DeadSouls

I agree with Mission up there. I mean, how many do you want to have? Just one more? Or keep going for the rest of time until it turns out the way you'd like? Someone else pointed out earlier, what would you do with the result anyway? What if leave won again? Would you be ok with it then considering we'd had another go? What if remain won next time? All the leavers will do exactly what the remainers are currently doing - either badger endlessly for another one or just say "well it's not binding anyway so we can pretend it didn't happen"

What if the vote to leave turned out significantly higher (not saying that's likely btw) than last time? Would you be ok with it then?

Just as a side note (this isn't directed at anyone in particular) all this "not binding" talk from the remain camp, would you be arguing that point if the vote had gone your way? I somehow doubt it.

Tanith · 07/12/2017 11:36

"Referendums, as evidenced by this thread and Brexit in its entirety, are big deals and it cheapens and makes a mockery of it having another one less than 2 years later"

Switzerland holds a referendum 4 or 5 times a year.

wasonthelist · 07/12/2017 11:44

Switzerland holds a referendum 4 or 5 times a year

Yes, not on the exact same subject though.

curryforbreakfast · 07/12/2017 11:46

Just as a side note (this isn't directed at anyone in particular) all this "not binding" talk from the remain camp, would you be arguing that point if the vote had gone your way? I somehow doubt it

"Our way" would have been no change. No change can never be binding.

People don't even understand that? God, its even worse than we thought.

MissionItsPossible · 07/12/2017 11:47

Switzerland holds a referendum 4 or 5 times a year.

Do they rerun referendums on the same topic every 4 or 5 years? Are any of them important as joining or exiting from the European Union or equivalent? As I have had a quick google and it seems they hold them for things like whether you can drive your cars on the road on a Sunday, or whether to abolish the army or not. I assume once they vote that particular one is done and dusted. I don't know anything about their laws so have no idea.

hettie · 07/12/2017 11:48

We voted to leave but we never voted in what 'leave' looked like....we could have a stay in the common market 'leave', a just leave 'leave', a special negotiated leave but not leave the bits we want 'leave'...
What pains me is it is clear that the cabinet appears unable to agree on what 'leave' they can all buy into (and make work). So I do think that we should rethink Brexit because we need to think what we want and whether it can done (so do example all the benefits of the free market with no commitments cannot be achieved so we need to rule that option out). Whether the public or parliament get a say on the 'leave' options put to us I don't care, but somebody needs to think (not rethink start thinking) about how we do this...

MissionItsPossible · 07/12/2017 11:50

"Our way" would have been no change. No change can never be binding.

People don't even understand that? God, its even worse than we thought.

What are you talking about? The poster was asking those that are saying it's advisory and not binding, would they accept the same argument from Leave voters if Remain had won or would they say the government made it perfectly clear that they would honour whichever side won, which is what Leave voters are doing now.

curryforbreakfast · 07/12/2017 11:51

I don't understand why people are so against asking people again, when they admit that people did not understand what they were voting for, adn that people know a lot more now?

You're happy with a vote predicated on ignorance but you don't want one now people have more facts?

curryforbreakfast · 07/12/2017 11:52

What are you talking about? The poster was asking those that are saying it's advisory and not binding, would they accept the same argument from Leave voters if Remain had won

That is what I answered. Like I said, you do not understand.

It isn't anyones opinion that the referendum wasn't binding. It was not binding. Simple fact.

RubMyRhubarb · 07/12/2017 11:54

God, its even worse than we thought.

Yes, it is, because you've missed (probably deliberately) the "spirit" of the question. I know what you're saying, and you are correct, I do see the point you're making and was already aware of it before you made it. However, I think you know what I'm getting at, people only tend to want to exploit "loopholes" (for lack of a better word) when something hasn't gone the way they'd like. I mean, you can hardly dispute this, it's not as if anyone from the leave camp is saying "but it's not legally binding!" is it, know what I mean now?

MissionItsPossible · 07/12/2017 11:56

curryforbreakfast

If Remain had won by 52% and right now on a thread like this in an alternative universe I was insisting that the referendum was advisory only and not legally binding and demanding that we hold another one to see if the vote had now swung to Leave, what would your response to Leave voters be?

curryforbreakfast · 07/12/2017 11:56

I'd say if there was a sensible reason to have another vote then go ahead, why not?

MissionItsPossible · 07/12/2017 11:56

I've specifically worded it like that so you can give an answer to the question I'm actually asking.

MissionItsPossible · 07/12/2017 11:59

I sincerely doubt that but thanks for replying.

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