That Britain should rethink BREXIT

[WallisofWindsor]

David Davis admitting that the impact of Brexit will be equal to the credit crunch should surely make the country revisit the decision.
Why put your country through such a difficult period?

You can doubt what you like, I don't mind.

At least the Brexiteers no longer bother pretending that Brexit is going to be good for the country.

Now, their whole argument seems to be: well we democratically decided to fuck ourselves over so that's that.

That's progress in a way.

Use your imagination and think outside your naice middle-class London bubble.

Are you always this daft? But just for clarity's sake (although it has no bearing on this thread) I live in a northern working class town with arguably the highest immigration outside of London. Does that mean I get a say now?

Politically, it was binding becasue the vast majority of MPs voted in favour of deciding the Brexit question by a Yes/No referendum and pledged to abide by the result no matter what

Politically they flip flop and backtrack and fudge and so on about everything else, so why not this? When it is so obvious to all of us that its turning out to be an utter disaster and what we need now is for them to grow some bollocks and just say so?

Use your imagination and think outside your naice middle-class London bubble.

How come people are still peddling this shit?

So it stalled and nothing happened until a court decided that the decision could actually only be taken (via the Article 50 route) by Parliament.

Parliament duly held a vote and the vast majority of MPs voted in favour of triggering Article 50

Miller was simply about the limitations of executive power in relation to treaties and rights. Very specifically about the activation of Article 50.

It had nothing to do with referendums. So Parliament did not "step in" and change the referendum results into something of Constitutional value. It is, and always will be, a straw poll.

Too, that Parliament cannot bind itself in the future is there specifically so that it can change its mind.

And what the heck does "naice" mean?

The Far Right had their chance in Europe this year and failed to gain any headway in France and the NL and Germany .

Are you for real?

Far right parties have definitely gained ground in Europe, AFD in Germany, Le-Pen in the run off in France to name two of the most notable.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/29/right-social-democracy-dying-europe-afd-far-right-germany

Its in even in the Guardian so no need for the uneducated Daily Mail tired meme

And what the heck does "naice" mean?

Not sure, but it comes up fairly often around here. I think it's weird MN speak for "nice" but in a piss-takey way. Maybe directed at perceived snobs.

"naice" just makes you look like a chippy tit.

What's a chippy tit?! Seriously?

Been here ages and still can't fathom half the lingo.

It's a tit (silly person) who is chippy (adjective (of a person) touchy and defensive, especially on account of having a grievance or a sense of inferiority.)

As for us having a democratic vote in favour of FOM via MEPs - we didn't. John Major signed us up to the Mastrict treaty (although Mrs Thatcher had paved the way by singing us up to Rome earlier - hilariously she claimed she had been tricked later)

I understand about what's going on under the Trump admin. More than Brexit, & that's saying a lot!

Politics today-Thursday reported that this was now a "who blinks first situation!! DUP have announced they've cut their eyelids off. Ffs?

Either way, the Far right is on the rise in Europe and if live in Belgium you would be well aware of it.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-the-rise-of-right-wing-populism-in-europe

It is when people say things like this with nothing to back them up, I lose all hope in the ability of our country to make sensible decisions on anything.

That point you made kind of makes you look silly, maybe you should google it yourself instead of assuming when another Poster specifically says that the Far right is on the rise you label them as a Daily mail reader

It wasn't just signed out of the blue you know...

No it wasn’t, I fully accept that, but neither did MEPs have much to do with it.

Interestingly one of my more civil debates on this was with a friend who opposed FOM and greater integration, but still voted remain in the referendum as he felt that having signed Maastricht it was too late to leave.

So you think that signing up to the Maastrict Treaty is evidence of a loss of sovereignity?

In accordance with British constitutional convention, specifically that of parliamentary sovereignty, ratification in the UK was not subject to approval by referendum

AND you opted out of half of it anyway!