How can a male win 2 silver medals in a women’s World Championship event

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Laurel Hubbard from New Zealand has just won 2 silver medals in the women's events in the Weightlifting World Championships in the US. Laurel at 39yrs old is much older than the other female competitors and has only really excelled in the sport to this level in the past few years for some reason.

www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11954269

Yes, cos testosterone levels are the only thing that make any difference in weightlifting. Size and muscle mass, plus a male pelvis and male bone structure, male size hands, male shoulder size, etc etc make no difference at all to weightlifting. Women would be able to lift as much as the men no doubt, if they had the same testosterone levels.

The levels of acceptable testosterone have been amended to allow biological males to compete in females sports. The highest acceptable level is more than 4 times the amount a biological female is capable of producing.

Wrong. Inequitable.

It seems, ironic, doesn't it, that testosterone is a banned substance. Yet men are allowed to compete in women's events

It's a fair rules issue.

you have no compassion and i hope nobody ever treats you as awfully as you (all) are behaving now.

If the worst that ever happened to me was to be talked about for coming second in a competition in which I had a huge biological advantage over all the other competitors I would feel very lucky. As it happens I was born female so a lot worse has actually happened to me. I have compassion for all the women who are having to step aside and give up on their careers because they now no longer stand and chance of ever winning anything.

[applauds Donny ]

wow, you know nothing about weightlifting and you're really unkind. you have no compassion and i hope nobody ever treats you as awfully as you (all) are behaving now.

I assumed that was a frustrated sarcastic comment.

There is always someone on MN defending poor men.
I feel sorry for the woman cheated out of a silver medal.

As a sportswoman this issue has worried me for some time, it’s so sad it’s finally happening
A colleague who translationed (m to f) plays in goal for a women’s football team- at 6 ft with giant man hands she has a huge advantage over the more petite women. It’s not fair.

How can there ever be a level playing field for the women competing against a trans person? This person lived as a man, went through puberty and to top it off competed as a man. They will always have the cell memory of being male even if they reduce their testosterone levels and transition to female.

As a sportswoman this issue has worried me for some time, it’s so sad it’s finally happening fsad
A colleague who translationed (m to f) plays in goal for a women’s football team- at 6 ft with giant man hands she has a huge advantage over the more petite women. It’s not fair.

Me too. I still play competitive sports and play with and against men. We all realise that the men outperform the women.

Women's sports federations need to work together to address this and stop being so sweet and fair-minded.

As someone said on another thread : this is cheating, not competing!

They also won’t have to deal with menstruation, pregnancy, child birth etc.

I am an atheist, but this from Matthew 13:12 has it nailed for what's happening to women:

For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hat.

We are so being fucked over. Again.

@AssassinatedBeauty

Honestly, no I'm not happy but have become jaded by frequent trans-bashing on this forum.

This to me is genuinely unfair. I say this as a Olympian where biological sex made little difference.

I vaguely regret my quick reply. I'm not up in arms about it but I pity anyone who derives pleasure from cheating and I see this as a battle against cheats, not a big 'men are entitled, women are eroded' hyperbolic-laden issue.

I once came 4th and a few months later, 3rd place was discovered cheating and likely was when we competed together. I was a little annoyed but it's no big problem.

I think @DonnyAndVladSittingInATree does him/herself no favours and does nothing for their arguement. It turns people like me off who don't want to be included in 'women' as an homogenous blob with one mindset and one agenda. IRL, my only response could ever be "speak for yourself, love".

And while I'm here, can someone, anyone direct me to a site/article/blog where men are upset/up in arms because transmen are getting their medals, jobs, etc.etc.et fucking c.?

I'll save you the trouble. There won't be one.

Isn't it strange that Laurel never won any medals when competing as a man? Against other men?

Bit odd really for any sportsperson to only start winning international medals in their late 30s.

I wonder what can be at work here?

meaty I was once competing internationally in an Equestrian sport, where biological gender makes no difference also.

If you really were unconcerned to be beaten by a cheat out of a medal place at an Olympic level then you are a much much better person than me. I know the sacrifice that goes into such things. Being cheated is galling in the extreme.

I once came 4th and a few months later, 3rd place was discovered cheating and likely was when we competed together. I was a little annoyed but it's no big problem

No it wouldn't be, as everyone your sport would accept that you should have come 3rd and you can happily talk openly about how you were the victim in this scenario.

God forbid a female athlete should talk openly about how Lauren Hubbard was cheating.

Perhaps laurel also transitioned to a 20 year old body as well as a female one.

Silly op

Don’t you know in 2017 men are accepted as women is they say they feel they are

Moving on to 2018 it looks as though men can choose to be women one day and return back to being a man the next

Op you must learn to shut up and put up and do you really have the right to question this? We had a few years of having some control over decisions being made in women’s interests now it’s back to men making those decisions for us experience counts as nothing

I'm amazed you didn't give much of a shit about it tbh. I wonder what sport you did do where biological sex made little difference? Riding or sailing are the only ones that spring to mind

And I do not find there is 'trans bashing' on MN per se..... although some people might go a little far.I find that mostly the commentary is about how we, as biological women, are having our experiences; our realities and our very bodies negated and eradicated. We are subjected to abuse (called 'cis' having our voices silenced).

I was so worried there wouldn't be a trans thread today

Me too! Whose turn is it to start one tomorrow?