‘Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown’ - as it should be! Trump thread continued.

[TheClaws]

From Shakespeake’s Henry IV, Act 3 Scene 1.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3094156-All-we-want-for-Christmas-is-an-IMPEACHMENT-Trump-cont

Michael Linden
Michael Linden
@MichaelSLinden

Ok folks, here's what just happened...

The tax bill was at 51-49. In the last 2 days:

• Dems won a Senate seat in AL
• Rubio comes out against the bill without major changes
• Collins undecided
• Lee now undecided
• Flake didn't get what he asked for

This is not over!

He's talking live. 'Everything has changed and it's all down to me'

'We have clean coal, beautiful clean coal'

'We've blown regulatory restrictions outta the water'

Arghhhhhh....

I wonder if he will take questions

Pain, thank you very much for posting the tweet thread about
"identity politics" needs to be understood as "experience politics."

That was very thought-provoking.

I know net neutrality is unrestrained info via the internet but admit I don't really understand what it is they're trying to do. (except roll back something Obama did...)

This is my probably very simplistic understanding.

Obama put in place rules that said an internet provider could not prioritise bandwidth for any particular content or company. So I can get just as fast access to your blog on rare train engines that gets 2 visitors a month as I can to the Disney site, for example. By getting rid of this rule you allow providers to start saying that if your want your train engine blog to load in less than half an hour and be practically accessible by everyone you have to pay them. So this means that any small business or content maker is immediately at a disadvantage as they can't afford to pay the same rates as the big boys to have their site given priority and therefore made accessible.

It could also mean that as a customer I could be told that I will get decent access to all the big companies that have paid the provider, but I won't be able to see anyone elses unless I pay for the extra access. They could basically charge me by site rather than just giving me access to everything.

So what they have taken away is equal access for all to everything online. It's potentially pretty serious, though only time will tell exactly how tiered the new internet cake will turn out to be.

Netflix US‏Verified account
@netflix
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We’re disappointed in the decision to gut #NetNeutrality protections that ushered in an unprecedented era of innovation, creativity & civic engagement. This is the beginning of a longer legal battle. Netflix stands w/ innovators, large & small, to oppose this misguided FCC order.

I cannot stand to watch SHS--she is so rude, condescending and belligerent.

In fact, I'm not sure which of the Trumpers bothers me most --there are so damn many from which to choose (Conway, Sessions, Trump himself).

This presidency seems to deliver fifty shades of rage to those watching.

Ed Krassenstein‏
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BREAKING: The following states are suing Trump's FCC in order to preserve #NetNeutrality
💻California
💻Delaware
💻Hawaii
💻Illinois
💻Iowa
💻Kentucky
💻Maine
💻Maryland
💻Massachusetts
💻Mississippi
💻NY
💻North Carolina
💻Oregon
💻Pennsylvania
💻Vermont
💻Virginia
💻Washington

Net neutrality

Celeste P.
@Celeste_pewter

1. Understand just what #NetNeutrality is and isn't. This @mashable video will help:

I'm seeing a lot of tweets suggesting #NetNeutrality means cutting off access; it's more slowing/throttling access for more $. (Broadly speaking)

NBC News
@NBCNews
FCC Commissioner Mignon Clyburn closes her remarks on the #NetNeutrality vote: "What saddens me the most today is that the agency that is supposed to protect you is actually abandoning you."

mobile.twitter.com/NBCNews/status/941365021921202176/video/1

Sarah Kendzior
@sarahkendzior
Worth listening to her comments. This is very bad but not completely over. Too many people get screwed by this repeal, including some powerful players. #NetNeutrality

Encouraging news:

Trump approval rating is at an all time low:

It's gone down the -20 barrier and for 6 days in a row. It can't help his self esteem.

It even looks like Fox has stopped polling his approval ratings.

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account
@benjaminwittes

I forget who said that given a false fact, I can prove anything true. Mueller and Comey are cordial former colleagues and two of the only people alive who have done a particular job. They are not, to my knowledge, personal friends.

thehill.com/policy/national-security/364931-poll-54-percent-say-mueller-has-conflict-of-interest

lawfareblog.com/thoughts-rod-rosensteins-testimony

We're actually really lucky in the UK, we can use any ISP (in the uk), no matter where we live and not be penalised for it. The Gov made this even easier when they took away BT's monopoly and allowed ISP's to use BT's equipment. (in those grey boxes on the streets).

In a lot of America, places only have one ISP, meaning there's no choice. So if that ISP decides to do what the other pps have talked about, it basically holds the users to internet ransom as it were.

I have friends not far out of Huntsville in a town that only has one ISP and it's always been a struggle to even get decent support and/or speeds. So, say for example if another ISP started up, and my friends wanted to visit their website for info, the current ISP could legally make it so that the new one wouldn't load, leaving my friends totally stuck with that one ISP. (A bit simplistic but true nonetheless)

Over here, ISP throttling was highly hated by ppl, and the Gov finally did something about it. Not so in America, and with this recent ruling things will only get worse if it actually gets going.

More encouraging news:

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-internet/u-s-regulators-ditch-net-neutrality-rules-as-legal-battles-loom-idUSKBN1E81CX?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

Thank you Bigly, Pain & Mirador for the NN explanations. It sounds extremely worrying but have read on Twitter about all the court challenges against it...

Charles P. Pierce does not hold back.

www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a14435838/paul-ryan-retire/

"That dog sleeps on the porch."

There will be few people in tears if Ryan does decide to go - even in the GOP.

I’m still a bit confused about NN, could we in the UK be forced to pay to look at American websites?

I don't know for sure. It would probably depend on the companies involved. There seems to be a deal of legal action in prospect, though, so whatever happens may be some time off.

Always The repeal of net neutrality put simply is that a particular carrier can limit or direct the website you use by slowing the speeds at which it loads.

The easiest way I could 'get it' was that it would be similar to a city getting money from Sainsbury to put an express speedway to their store, but when Joe Bloggs Grocery can't afford or chooses not to pay for one, they put a stop light on the only road to Joe's and have it red 90% of the time.

Can I just pop in and say Pence would be a fucking disaster... an absolutely terrifying, fucking disaster! I would genuinely be more fearful for women, LGBT people, people of colour and those in poverty than I and ready am.

He is a monster who should not be within smelling distance of the presidency - I want rid of Trump but heaven help us if Pence is the alternative

*than I already am.

(Sorry, frothing too hard to spell check - just the idea that people think he is the 'better' option is truly horrifying!)

Yes, it is.

Agreed san.