To think you often get a better discussion with men?

[splendidisolation]

I've been noticing this fairly often recently.

It seems easier to get into debates/quite in depth discussion about politics or ideas, more conceptual/abstract stuff with men than it does women.

Obviously my female friends are like this, that's why we're friends! I'm talking about casual encounters, random people you meet through events or friends of friends.

At least, it seems more frequent or easier to go down the path of having those more "pondering" discussions with a lot of the men I come across, whereas with women it tends to focus on their families, or past relationships, music, books, clothes, travel etc. More "real life" stuff.

Have you noticed this, and if you have, why is it?

Because women are so fucking knackered?

Whereas you’re special and different and ‘not like other girls’?

Just noticed the opposite with DP.
Does that help?

No, I haven't, unless you count men who seek out a deep and meaningful as a window to my soul*.

*knickers

No, I haven't noticed that.

Nope.

Perhaps women just don’t like you so can’t be bothered.

No, I really, really haven't.

Yes, all women are the same. We're just one big homogeneous mass acting in exactly the same way.

I have noticed the complete opposite op, except in your case.

I talk about politics etc with some girl friends with others we share our moans and have a laugh. Both are great. Life doesn’t need to be heavy all the time there is a need for a bit of lightness. We’re only here for a short time and there is a place for the trivial and fun as well as the serious stuff.

Confirmation bias. You've already decided that men are better so you down grade a woman's argument over an mans.

No, I haven't experienced this.

I think the type of conversation you have can often depend on the lead you give. Perhaps you are (unconsciously) leading the women you meet towards 'real life' conversations, and men towards the abstract because you formed that expectation at some earlier stage in your life.

no, I haven't
HTH

Totally the opposite. I have my best political discussions with women.

No. I haven't noticed that.
If I engage with women about chit chat I get chit chat
If I engage with men about chit chat I get chit chat.
Exactly the same if I engage about politics, economics, current affairs Brexit art theatre etc etc.

Could it be that you unconsciously dumb down or limit you topic choices because you have this perception so you are kind of creating that which you predict?

I find when I start discussing politics, environmental issues and religion, and y'know, conceptual stuff at toddler club and at rhythm and rhyme, the other mums look at me like

I can't imagine I would have much patience having an "in depth discussiom" with a woman who appears to dislike women, so perhaps you personally do have better conversations with men. I'd hazard that is a reflection on you though, not women in general.

Gawd no. In terms of immediate/frequent conversations DH takes debate too personally, his stepfather is a bizarre combination of naive and staggeringly rigid on certain topics, DF knows what he knows and isn't really interested in wanging on about endless topics for the sake of it, BIL likes talking about football and dogs...

Far more of the women I know can easily switch between politics, shopping, economics, theology, recipes, history, mythology, archetypes, psychology...

No.
Men tend to mansplain and think they know it all.
You can certainly discuss interesting topics but not necessarily have interesting discussions.

No not noticed. I am however clearly not as special as you, im just a normal female so wouldnt notice. Anyway hows the family

Hmm. I wonder, why you would come to a forum with a largely female demographic to announce this opinion?

Men love talking about abstract stuff. So much easier than talking about feelings or personal stuff.

I am guilty of this myself now that I think about it. I rarely engage in conversations with people that I do not know well, if I do I keep it very mundane, I always shy away from polarising discussions because I'm not keen confrontation (I have an impulse to either completely desimate or openly mock people who irritate me which often happens during these kinds of discussions)

Thenewaveragebear

That's a really good point about the focus of women when they are trying to socialise whilst watching their child.