To think you often get a better discussion with men?

[splendidisolation]

I've been noticing this fairly often recently.

It seems easier to get into debates/quite in depth discussion about politics or ideas, more conceptual/abstract stuff with men than it does women.

Obviously my female friends are like this, that's why we're friends! I'm talking about casual encounters, random people you meet through events or friends of friends.

At least, it seems more frequent or easier to go down the path of having those more "pondering" discussions with a lot of the men I come across, whereas with women it tends to focus on their families, or past relationships, music, books, clothes, travel etc. More "real life" stuff.

Have you noticed this, and if you have, why is it?

Well, I love a good conversation and would happily as part of it tell someone like you to fuck off to be honest as part of an honest iterative discourse. Ontologically speaking, obvs.

No.

Definitely not.

They say there are three topics you should never discuss with people you've just met : finance, religion and politics. Perhaps the women you have come across have all adopted this approach?

I think you have the best discussions with the people you’re happiest to engage with.

No. I haven’t found this. Men don’t need to chat and moan like I seem to need to. Women can do that plus also have deep political discussions etc.

Don't be fucking ridiculous.

It would be marvellous to know what the people on the men's forum you posed this question to said.

Maybe you are just a bit thick OP, so you like a bit of mansplaining so you understand?

internalized misogyny alert

I've noticed the opposite tbh. men turn every conversation round to talk about themselves.

You're completely right. It's because us women have pretty little heads.

I'm marvel daily on MN that posters manage to have discussions about important things. Though I can only assume their manfolk help them. Kind chaps.

BTW not a bad deliberately provoking OP. If not slightly outdated.

If I'm stuck with a woman I don't know/don't have much in common with, I'll make an effort to make polite conversation. With a man in a similar situation, I probably won't. Partly because I think men do judge less if people don't chatter away, but largely because I care less if they do. So while my interesting conversations are held equally with men and women, or slightly more with women, I have very few dull conversations with men because I just remove myself.

I once sat in front of two men who spent half an hour arguing how mobile phones find their location: GPS or phone masts.

So, YABU.

I suppose women feel they need to make small talk more than men do ( not sure why? ) & they will talk more about their family than men, but there’s nothing wrong with that. Who wants to be talking politics all day long? not many people.
But I have to admit, men to tend to be funnier than women & not take themselves too seriously. So maybe on that basis, they can ( sometimes ) be better company.

Typo galore!!

It's called mansplaining. Men have to work hard to find a woman who will put up with it these days, so when they find one they tend to go a bit topic-happy.

But I have to admit, men to tend to be funnier than women & not take themselves too seriously.

So not true.

They definitely take themselves and their (often stupid and unfounded) opinions way too seriously. They also have a knack for trying to make an opinion sound like a statement of fact.
It's funny in a way.

I have noticed a slightly higher proportion of pompous, self-absorbed men who think I want to hear all their opinions about the world, yes. Whereas a lot of women actually want to know how I am.

To be serious, I grew up in a majority female household where lively debates around the breakfast table were common, so generally no, I don't really recognise your statement. I do think there is some truth in the idea that women are not encouraged to express their opinions as much and are talked over and minimised when they do, so it is possible that this is what you have observed.

Man you’re so cool.

I just get on with men so much better.

I can never have a meaningful conversation with women.

Men just get me so much better.

Women are so dramatic, I just have nothing in common with them.

I bet you’re a staunch feminist too aren’t you?

I find the opposite.

In my experience, men discuss topics from a particular point of view - whether it's a conservative christian point of view, or a student lefty point of view, or whatever, and everything they say is in lockstep with that position and while it may be well-argued and erudite, it will be entirely predictable.

I find that whenever someone says something and I have a moment of thinking "wow, I never thought about it like that", the speaker is almost always a woman.

I often tried to talk about existential stuff with my ex, for some reason he always ended up talking of Honda cars...

I havent found this at all. Most of my favourite people to talk to are women

No I haven't found this. Obviously everyone is different, but it is only among men that I have encountered examples of

1. People who think they are being profound and having a deep discussion when in fact they are talking absolute shit.

1. People who think they are having a deep and meaningful discussion, but actually they are lecturing at you and they want you to nod along in a way that suggests 'gosh you are so intelligent, I wish I had your massive man-brain, but sadly my head is full of kittens and scribble'.

1. People who think that because their voice is loud, it makes what they are saying more important and interesting than anything anyone else is saying (to the point where they think they are justified in talking over you and interrupting you)

1. People who think they become even more profound and interesting after they've had a drink, and like to explain politics and current affairs at you whilst emitting foul smelling burps.

Maybe it's because you're really sexy, OP. It's amazing how much more effort men will make at conversation when they're hoping for some action.