At a 19yr Old Transwoman being elected a Labour woman’s officer

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Seems the old WO stepped down after alleged bullying and accusation of transphobia. The new WO is a 19 yr old Transwoman - i think who made many of The allegations against the previous WO.

What experience has a 19 yr old TW got to hold this post - weirder than weird.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-teenager-lily-madigan-voted-in-as-a-labour-women-s-officer-mwchkhzq8

To those who expected better from blubber face boy (aka Miliband) - you expected courage from the man who ran away to Ibiza when he lost the election, leaving his party to the mercies of the shower of shite currently in charge of it?
He is a piss pants little coward, and always has been.

GladAllOver

I understand why you say that. Because I get that it feels like there is more commitment.

But firstly, it’s considered transphobic to make that distinction. TRAs say it’s forcing them to be sterilised. I.e. to have the surgery in order to be legitimate.

Secondly, surgery really doesn’t preclude the cross dressing fetishists, who make up the bulk of the problem. Their fetish can take them all the way through to surgery.

And lastly, it’s not only about the threat of rape, i.e. having a penis. Men can make women feel exceptionally uncomfortable with a flick of the eye. Leery or lascivious looks, smirks, comments.

I just don’t want to be in that position. I’m tired of having to justify why. I’m weary of having to make excuses to maintain my boundaries. With people saying well what if it was like this, or what if it was like that?

I can’t tell if someone is a predator, by what they wear, the state of their genitals, or whether they are dressed as a woman or a man. All I know is 98% of sexually violent crime is committed by men.

Voyeurs are overwhelmingly men. Peeping toms are overwhelmingly men. Upskirt photos are overwhelmingly taken by men. Holes drilled in changing room walls are overwhelmingly drilled by men.

Until I can tell a predator from non-predator, I will use the only possible distinction that works and that is segregating women from men when women are vulnerable.

Here is the role of a womens officer
CLP Women’s Officer
The Women’s Officer is the key representative of women members on the executive
of the CLP, and works to ensure that women are fully involved in the work of the local
party, as well as, taking a leading role in making sure that the campaigning work of the
constituency reaches out and engages with women voters.
As Women’s Officer, you need to be friendly and approachable, organised, able to run
events and above all be prepared to work hard to ensure that women members have
a real voice within the local party.
The key responsibilities of this role include:
• Making sure that women members are included in all of the party’s activities
and that meetings are relevant and accessible to women.
• Reaching out to women in the wider community through local campaigns, and
working with women’s organisations in the constituency to engage women
voters, highlight issues, and get a better deal for local women.
• Bringing women together to empower each other and gain the knowledge and
skills they need get involved.
• Running events for women members, including training, policy development
and social events.
• Working to recruit more women into the Labour party and helping to make
sure that women members make the jump from member to activist.
• Listening to women’s views and ensuring that they are reflected in Labour’s
policy making.
• You will be on the CLP’s executive committee, and play a key role in decision
making and strategy within your CLP.
Activity
This role is varied, exciting and can make a real difference to your local party - not just
to women members but in terms of how the whole CLP operates. You can choose
how to focus your role and what to make your priority depending on what sort of
activities that local members want to see.
There are many different strands to the work of a Women’s Officer, but
fundamentally the role comes down to two key aims:
• Building a party for women – this means working to make sure that women in
your local party are supported, involved and engaged.
• Campaigning with women – playing a leading role in making sure that your local
party campaigns to win women’s votes.
Part of your role will focus on making sure that the voices of Labour women are heard
within your local party.
You should ensure you get in touch with all women members introducing yourself as
the Women’s Officer and providing your contact details, and welcome new women
members when they join through a one to one chat, emails, telephone contact or
social events. You will be able to get this information from your CLP Secretary.
Work with other CLP Officers to set up a women’s forum in the constituency, if one
does not already exist. This then provides a team to support you in your work.
Through this, you can then organise training to encourage women members to
become more involved in the party and in community activity - for example as party
officers, school governors or local councillors. A good start would be to survey the
interests and training needs of women members.
The other part of your role involves looking outside of the party to women in your
local community, and exploring what you can do to make sure Labour is effectively
engaging with women voters. Why not set up a campaign team to recruit local
women who have expressed support for the party, to canvass amongst women, run
street stalls and campaigns that affects women in the local area and identify key
stakeholders in the community to get involved.
You could think about making contact with local branches of women’s voluntary
organisations, set up consultation meetings, exchange speakers and run joint
campaigns. Ensure that women from the local women’s sector are invited to
contribute towards policy discussions and speak to trade union women in your CLP
about encouraging women in the workplace to join and become active in the Labour
Party.
Meetings
As CLP Women’s Officer, it is your role to ensure women members are able to get fully
involved and that their views and concerns are reflected and listened to. Local
meetings are a fantastic opportunity to increase women’s participation in the CLP. At
each CLP meeting, you should:
• Actively encourage women members to get involved in meetings and
contribute to discussions.
• Report back on your activity, campaigns and community work and highlight
any forthcoming events or campaigning.
• Introduce yourself to any women members attending a meeting for the first
time.
Contacting women members in your CLP
As part of your role, you will be in regular contact with women in your CLP, and should
be aware when a new member joins so you can get in touch to introduce yourself and
welcome them to the CLP. Your CLP Secretary will be able to provide you with a list of
women members, and you should ask them to let you know when a new woman joins
your CLP.

This is absolutely ludicrous.

I think it proves that some Labour members think being progressive is to support something which they don't fully understand and can't be arsed to find out more about because its not really what they are interested in, or are too easily swept along with following what everyone else around them says they should believe in, rather than doing the research themselves, thinking critically and forming their own opinion back on the information they find in the process.

Although, many of us do understand, can be arsed and have found out a lot about it, have done the research, have thought critically, and have come out with an opinion that is very, very different to the dominant one on Mumsnet.

I am very, very tired of being told that I don't understand and am not thinking critically, simply because I do not agree. I do not need 'educating' by Mumsnetters- I came across Mumsnet a few years ago, trans people and trans issues were part of my life both personally and professionally a long, long time before that.

Sinceyouask, do you think a 19 year old male is a good choice for a women’s officer?

NettleTea

Okay, let’s just take the first bullet point.

• Making sure that women members are included in all of the party’s activities
and that meetings are relevant and accessible to women.

And change it to

“• Making sure that women and anyone who identifies as a woman members are included in all of the party’s activities and that meetings are relevant and accessible to women and anyone who identifies as a woman

Which is exactly how he will read it. And how he will demand it is read.

This is why must not be changed.

Sorry! LANGUAGE must not be changed

I am very, very tired of being told that I don't understand and am not thinking critically, simply because I do not agree.

Would you mind engaging?

What a minefield! I think I’m happier not understanding but surely, surely just saying I am a man doesn’t make me one? A 19 year old boy cannot be Women’s Officer just because he says he is a woman . I could say I was a donkey and it wouldn’t make me one....or maybe it would.
We all need to feel comfortable with who we are but if that involves others feeling threatened or uncomfortable then some reassessment is needed.
To me gender is male/female and sexuality is gradations of identity within that. A gay man is still a man, a cross dressing man is still a man and a lesbian is a woman and a female to Male transvestite is a woman.
If you have a willy you are a man and if you have breasts and a vulva you are a woman.
I know I have that wrong somehow. Thanks for being so understanding.

This individual is supposed to be the person that women can go to for support and help with women's issues. A 19 year old male who calls himself Saville's Apprentice and thinks biology is meaningless. Do you think many women will be happy seeking his support Sinceyouask? Regardless of your view on trans issues in general, is it okay to leave women without any decent representation and advocacy?

You’ve got it completely right. It’s that stupid.

I could say I was a donkey and it wouldn’t make me one...

If your blood pressure can take it, you might want to google transspecies, transracial, transabled.

Exactly the same theory, but no one in their right mind is offering disability payments to the transabled, or kennels to the transspecies, or positions amongst the ethnic community to the transracial.

Transwomen? Oh, that makes perfect sense, here, take all women’s rights.

im not sure its right the the womens officer must be a women firstly is it legal secondly this is what the rule book says 'The Executive Officers of this CLP shall be; chair,
vice-chair, vice-chair/ membership, secretary,
treasurer, women’s officer. At least three of these
officers shall be women. This CLP may, with the
approval of the NEC add other Executive Officer
posts drawn from amongst its Coordinator roles
subject to the gender quota being amended
appropriately. '

So even saying the word mum, mom, mother is now transphobic? Is this what we have come to?

I am biologically female. I do not believe in gender. I think it is an invented concept, like the unicorn, the Loch Ness monster and the international Jewish conspiracy. Can you explain to me, since youask, why i, if I were a member of the Labour Party, should be forced to accept someone biologically male as my representative within the party?

All mammals who lactate are now transphobic because it's hate. It really is getting to this.

Next up. Ed Miliband will use the term hysteria. Oh wait.

What he looks like is irrelevant. To both his gender identity and this thread.

I don’t think it helps criticising people‘s appearance, nomoresugar

OMFucking God.
I was going to apply for this
twitter.com/cllrtrisosborne/status/932655758315085824

Jo Cox Programme. Women into Leadership.

I havent a hope as a reported TERF

Wow.

So are we agreed that the Jo Cox programme has been hijacked?

A man killed her.

This is scary stuff!

NettleTea That's awful!

WTAF is going on here?

this is blown out of proportion like the trans debate in general there are massive problems in the country and in the labour party yet on mumsnet theres more outrage over this person than the antisemitism and various labour mps o'mara Clive Lewis ect. firstly she was elected by the members of the clp secondly id point out you would only need to have a womens officer if you believe many people in the clp are sexist and would not include women. conservatives dont have them because they dont need them.

Is it awful that I misread his Twitter user name of cllrtrisosborne as clitoris osborne?