to wonder why Corbyn isn't more popular considering the battering Theresa May/the Tories is getting?

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The Tories/Theresa May have been getting an absolute kicking in the press recently (rightly deserved) and every day there seems to be a new controversy. May seems completely inefficient and doesn't seem to know whether she is coming or going (literally).

However, I am surprised that Corbyn/Labour is not polling higher. On all the polls I have looked at his rating seems to be either equal to, very slightly above or very slightly below May. He should be well out in front at this point.

I am not a Corbyn/Labour fan (although agree with a lot of their policies) but I am wondering why is he not polling better?

Us socialists have a bad name and that isn't helped by throwing soundbites and insults around but I can see plenty coming back this way from the anti Corbyn brigade too. I have always been a lefty so when JC came along he was always going to get my vote but having been to see him speak I was blown away and actually had goose bumps. I struggle a bit with the economics because both sides claim the other caused the deficit and there are lots of different figures floating around on what the debt is at the moment and whether the Tories have made it much worse or not but the human cost of their actions are clear to see on every street. For me it is clear that Corbyn is a good man who really cares about the people whereas May is an emotionless robot who really doesn't give a shit about the suffering her party are causing

I really like Corbyn, but this -

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Because his policies are totally unrealistic. Free stuff for everyone, scrap certain taxes, free uni, higher wages. We can't have it all.

Because he is a terrorist sympathiser, who makes excuses for antisemitism and sexism

Sums it up for me as well

It is very interesting that the majority of people on his thread would vote Labour if it wasn't for Corbyn. But the hard left dont seem to care, they aren't interested in a fair country they just want a socialist dystopia no matter what hell it unleashes.

Actually sounds like the cult of the rapture. Hell has no fury like Jeremy Corbyn.

MN is generally quite left leaning though - the voting threads around election time showed that very clearly

I've voted Labour in the past but would never vote for Corbyn. Far too hard left. Incompetent. Mysoginist. Anti-semitic. Cult-like.

All the chanting and treating him like the Second Coming is creepy and makes me squirm. I have nothing in common with his supporters.

I'm generally Left leaning, but this personality cult is creepy.

The abuse dissenters receive is chilling.

The lack of any clear policies is frightening.

It's not one party anymore and the triumphalism of Momentum is just wrong.

She is incompetent and so desperate to cling on to power that she has formed a cabinet out of the equally incompetent and totally unsuited to power dregs left

A bit like Gordon Brown's disastrous couple of years as PM then!!

At the moment, both main parties are hopeless and useless. We desperately need change. Such a shame that the libdems imploded due to Clegg - they'd have had a real chance to make a difference now when so many are disenfranchised by the two main parties.

Will we ever get any decent politicians again? We've had a succession of fools for the last 20 years and deserve better.

Jeremy Corbyn is just some guy. He has done very well in energising conversations. But in the end he is just a person.

Look instead to philosophy. It is what guides policy.

Tory philosophy is powerful in its simplicity. Survival of the fittest. It is Smith's basis. It feels right and natural.

But we are not animals any longer. We developed reason. We stood up on the plains and looked around and figured out that if we work together we are no longer prey. Hiding in a cave.

And we figured out that sharp teeth and brawn are not nearly enough. We must function as a group, supporting each other. For every soldier there is a society functioning behind.

Jeremy Corbyn is just some guy. But look at philosophy. Apply critical thinking.

A party whose policies set out specifically to harm the weakest, the sick and poor and disabled - who makes this the basis for their philosophy, this terrible social Darwinism, should be ostracised. That is the philosophy of an unthinking animal.

Jeremy Corbyn is just some guy. But look at philosophy. Apply critical thinking.

Momentum rhetoric as usual, we do think critically, hence why at the last GE labour lost against the shower of shit Tories

A party whose policies set out specifically to harm the weakest, the sick and poor and disabled of course they don't set out to 'harm' these people. Rhetoric like that isn't going to help labour win the election.

Speaking to friends yesterday I think the view was that Corbyn seems to be cruising on how well he did at the last election but is not offering any credible policies or plans on a day to day basis. He and the opposition are saying that May is shit and disagreeing with lots but are not saying what they would do as an alternative so the Corbyn-cult is running out of steam. Plus people are scared of the left wing and worry that the intolerance of other views, anti-semitism, etc could be the tip of the iceberg

But look at philosophy. Apply critical thinking. Whose philosophy are we talking about here?

Labour are hypocrites.

The Tories are cunts but they're honest about it.

Sums it up for me.

People like the heavily brainwashed & soundbitey makeourfuture also put me off - you can't discuss anything, you just get preached at.

They wilfully ignore the fact that Labour governments keep and reap the benefits from Tory policies that they criticise and are very vocal about whilst in opposition.

People bang on about "the NHS under the Tories" but it didn't get any better when Labour were in charge from 1997 - 2010 nor did education, welfare or many other things.....

Because he’s a Trotsky-Ite closet (not so much) antisemiteic wanker?

Yeah, the polls... they've been really reliable recently eh? The last few elections, Brexit... not worth a thought.

As for the cripplingly ignorant comments here, can't say I'm surprised. A "commie"? Good lord. Labour are to blame for the global financial crisis? Hilarious. Osborne himself recently admitted that labour then did what they had to do and weren't responsible for his "austerity".

How anyone can think that Corbyn is a danger given the complete shower running the country right now... well it's beyond me. It's really not that complicated. Slashing public spending doesn't improve things. We've seen evidence of that for years now. I'm involved with an NHS project at present and it's perfectly clear - much longer like this and all the things we rely on will be gone. What the country needs is precisely what Corbyn is offering.

For years I've heard "politicians aren't trustworthy - they lie and they're slimy". Then you get a politician who doesn't manipulate his expenses, cares more about his polices than his appearance, and has been working tirelessly as an MP (never unseated BTW) for decades supporting causes on the right side of history. But no - he's not charismatic enough, his suit is cheap, he rides a bike!

Ugh. Some people like being lied to, I guess.

People bang on about "the NHS under the Tories" but it didn't get any better when Labour were in charge from 1997 - 2010 nor did education, welfare or many other things.....

That's the crux of it. Labour trebled the money spent on the NHS but the service wasn't three times better. Illiteracy/innumeracy didn't plummet when Labour were splashing the cash either. It was all about "grand ideas" such as shiny new mall-type hospitals, schools with atriums, etc. - typical Labour really - all image and no substance.

Err... welfare did improve under the last labour government. So did many other social things - are you honestly saying things are not worse now? Really? I'm no fan of Blair and Brown but you're talking out of your backside!

Besides which, austerity has failed - debt is rising not falling.

Tammy - lets think about JC's friends when considering the right side of history:

IRA - failed - heavily infiltrated, they gave up the military struggle for a united Ireland
Soviet bloc - failed totally and collapsed
Cuba - one party dictatorship - spends its time imprisoning trade unionists - basket case
Venezuela - middle classes scrape around for food in dustbins and are encouraged to eat their pets
Iran - gays publicly executed - British people held as hostage on trumped up charges
Hamas - failed totally to develop beyond the "slaughter the Jews" stage.

It looks to me as if he simply backs whoever is fighting the West. Have I missed some great successes?

Then you get a politician who doesn't manipulate his expenses, cares more about his polices than his appearance, and has been working tirelessly as an MP (never unseated BTW) . But no - he's not charismatic enough, his suit is cheap, he rides a bike!

He isn't the only MP that has been in parliament for decades without beung unseated. He isn't the only MP who is a good constituency MP. He isnt the only MP who hasnt fiddled expenses. He isn't the only MP that rides a bike.

for decades supporting causes on the right side of history

Oh that old line. Parroted over and over again from JC supporters.

I am very left leaning in so far as I'd never want to vote Tory rather than I'm very far to the left.

For me the troublesome thing about Corbyn is that he's so good at campaigning and catching people's imagination in that context, but then seems pretty ineffectual outside those times, or just being day to day leader. He doesn't seem to do much - or is it just that the media doesn't report on it?

Given that 48% of the country voted against Brexit and seemingly this encompassed the majority of politicians, business leaders, economists, scientists etc, I think it is very problematic that Corbyn is not a leader a lot of these people will rally round to make sure Brexit doesnt happen or happens in a "soft" way. I feel there is therefore a lot of wasted energy and lack of focus to the large amount of people who have massive concerns about Theresa May's vision of Brexit which is a real shame and something I kind of blame Corbyn for.

So the fact that he met with these people and tried to work towards resolutions in some scenarios makes them friends? Sure. Of course, Thatcher was actual friends with Pinochet, long after leaking politics.

Did I say he was the only one doing those things? No. The point is that people are critical of him for doing things that people have been saying they want, until they're offered it I guesss

Right now we have one million people from working families living in poverty. Extreme financial and social discrimination against disabled people. Scapegoating of benefits recipients while unclaimed taxes reach £35bn a year. An NHS that's dying on its arse. But sure, Corbyn is a disaster waiting to happen.

If he's so wonderful, why has he been an MP for so many years before anyone even noticed him? (Apart from for such charming things as inviting bombers to the Houses of Parliament, of course. What principles!)

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/order-order.com/2017/06/08/100-times-jeremy-corbyn-sided-terrorists/amp/

He's so desperate to be liberal and alternative. He wouldn't have a clue what to do if he wasn't actually in opposition and had to put his ideas into practice!

What Rebeccaslicker said

Some of these opinions are so odd I'm not even sure where they've come from.

Corbyn had no aspirations to be leader, hence being an MP for decades and being bloody good at it. I find it incredible that people are still wheeling out the terrorist sympathiser nonsense despite the (very costly) alliance the tories have made since the last election. Pot and kettle perhaps?

Oh, and: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-16366413

muftah.org/margaret-thatcher-her-dictator-friends/#.Wg61MDzfWaM

www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/06/conservative-party-uncomfortable-nelson-mandela

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/six-times-tories-said-exactly-10511011

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-ira-violence-1994-general-election-a7761801.html

And those are just for starters.

You do realise people are dying unnecessarily as a result of this government's policies?