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to wonder why Corbyn isn't more popular considering the battering Theresa May/the Tories is getting?

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mothertruck3r · 16/11/2017 08:43

The Tories/Theresa May have been getting an absolute kicking in the press recently (rightly deserved) and every day there seems to be a new controversy. May seems completely inefficient and doesn't seem to know whether she is coming or going (literally).

However, I am surprised that Corbyn/Labour is not polling higher. On all the polls I have looked at his rating seems to be either equal to, very slightly above or very slightly below May. He should be well out in front at this point.

I am not a Corbyn/Labour fan (although agree with a lot of their policies) but I am wondering why is he not polling better?

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busyboysmum · 28/11/2017 16:48

At this point, there is no one I can bring myself to vote for.

Greens and Labour are throwing women under the bus as far as trans issues go, Conservatives seem to be happy to exterminate anyone too frail to work, the Lib Dems are not even on the horizon....

Sums up my position exactly. Help! We need a decent political party quick!!!

Bromentum have lost Labour my vote.

somanyusernames · 28/11/2017 16:54

yes, we need a better centre party, desperately. Can't help thinking if we have another election, the result would be pretty much the same.

If the Scottish tory vote falls (if we buy the line that Ruth D's popularity will wane) then we could end up with a similar situation to now with a labour lame duck govt...

We need someone centrist and popular enough to win a clear majority, failing PR. And unicorns, obviously...

Gingernaut · 28/11/2017 19:05

Professor Brian Cox said he wanted to be Prime Minister on Chris Evan's Breakfast Show.

One wag texted in that he could call his new political party the Rational Front.

Gingernaut · 28/11/2017 19:11

Did Momentum help bully this person?

Read the tweets.

This twat was a CLP officer. Not only was no action taken against him so far, he helped to orchestrate the campaign against a lesbian woman who resigned the job of Women's Officer and he helped get a teenage transvestite voted in a Women's Officer instead.

This boy in a dress, complicit in the abuse, then had the barefaced nerve to join a Reclaim the Night women's march against violence to and the abuse of women.

The fact no action has been taken against them so far says volumes.

Failing to take action is tacit support.

somanyusernames · 29/11/2017 13:24

if i'd ever been on the fence about JC and his cronies, the Coyne/Unite debacle put the finish on it for me...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/20/unite-official-gerard-coyne-who-lost-to-len-mccluskey-in-leadership-race-sacked

somanyusernames · 29/11/2017 13:26

from the same article:

'Documents show that alleged rule breaches include allowing McCluskey to use databases while stopping Coyne from doing the same during the campaign to become general secretary; union employees actively seeking to prevent Coyne raising the question as to whether union resources were improperly used to assist with the purchase of a luxury flat; and repeated harassment of Coyne and his supporters by union employees.'

It's amazing this hasn't gotten more airtime and I'd love to see a group of Corbyn's young supporters tell me how this is brave new politics.

Gingernaut · 29/11/2017 13:30

I'd have thought that was a breach of the Data Protection Act.

somanyusernames · 29/11/2017 13:30

said Coyne:

'“It is beyond parody that I, as a 30-year member of the Labour party, should be accused of harming Unite-Labour relations by Mr Murray, a member of the Communist party for 40 years.”'

I don't understand how anyone could vote for someone closely associated with McCluskey...

Gingernaut · 29/11/2017 13:32

That Unite vote was flawed, the result was scandalous and the 'investigation' was a complete kangaroo court as stated in the article.

It's disgusting. 😡😡😡😡😡

somanyusernames · 29/11/2017 13:37

totally agree gingernaut, these aren't the sort of people I could trust, they are clearly people for whom the end is all and the means don't matter.

Gingernaut · 29/11/2017 17:15

And another nail in the coffin.

The niece of the Prime Minister of Bangladesh, Tulip Siddiq (Labour MP for Hampstead & Kilburn) has had to apologise for her remarks to a pregnant Channel 4 News producer.

The remarks were made after she was asked if she was going to intercede on behalf of a Hampstead constituent and Bangladeshi-British lawyer imprisoned in Bangladesh.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/29/channel-4-news-complains-to-labour-over-tulip-siddiqs-threat

somanyusernames · 29/11/2017 21:20

Charming eh? That’s a

somanyusernames · 29/11/2017 21:21

Sorry posted too soon - hard to believe this can go unchallenged in the Labour Party today.

rale124 · 29/11/2017 21:51

Ultimately Jeremy Corbyn is the man of the white collar, middle class, managerial elite. The well meaning but catastrophically damaging do gooders who narcisisticly believe they are the lower classes 'betters' and we should just shut up and listen to them. They confuse their access to better education for higher intelligence and moral rightousness.

The people who think nuclear dearmenent is the key to peace, without realising without nuclear weapon created strategy of mutually assured destruction (MAD) there is nothing stopping a return to conventional 'great' wars that killed millions upon millions (of predomimantly lower class men). Magnitudes more than nuclear weapons.

The people who think the poor are desperate for welfarism when in reality many working class people despise what welfarism has done to working class communities. They have gone from proud, close knit and largely self sufficent communities who believed in working hard to better our country and themselves to slums with no incentive to work, no incentive to build relationships with our neighbours and resent between factions of fradulent claiments (and genuine claiments tarred by the formers behaviour) and the workers.

Those who believe selling off the countries proud history of innovation to be nation of shop assistants and barristas is just a 'change of the time'. They turn their back on the traditional industries such as manafacturing like a caveman turning their back on the wheel while having panic attacks at their iPhone dying.

They can't comprehend the effect of mass immigration on communities from crime to the overload of stretched community resources such as schools and doctors because they don't live in high immigration working class areas like Bradford. They live in leafy suburbs like Islington. They throw around statistical studies about the benefits of immigration without considerings facts like these studies are worked out over the working lives of the migrants (hence there is a net deficit in funds as the UK immediately houses them, educated etc but is not reimbused via taxation for decades after if at all).

They believe Europe are our friends and not our economic competitors who would seek to take advantage of the UK. They deludedly profess their loyalty to the EU while EU politicians rush to protect the intrests of their home nation's citizens and only their citizens.

They stupidly equate suicide bombing to targeted military action done under international laws and rules of engagement to target jihadists who, until the mania and chaotic brutality of ISIL, assumed were just simple country folk fighting foreigners in their backyard rather than radical religious nutters travelling across the world to fight the Western liberalism and secularism.

They as 'betters' see the lower classes (aka the opressed) as requiring their saving. Whether that is poor people or black people or disabled people, aslong as you don't question the ideology your an 'ally' and not a 'house nigger' or a 'thick poor person'. Its a nasty case of 'saviour syndrome'.

I know what these people stand for, and I wholeheartedly despise it. Under their combined leadership we are a weak and childish nation state. Thersea May is not great, but she pales in comparison to the totalarian socialist sh1thole that JC would create. Hence lack of enthusiasm for both.

Justanotherlurker · 29/11/2017 21:55

It goes unchallenged because you obviously lack nuance and have no opinion other than what the right wing media force feed you.

Let me go and make some pithy momentum whataboutry as I demonstrate how much I understand economics about how the debt has grown under the Tories because we all know the economy resets itself as soon as a new party takes the reigns. Let's ignore deficit spend and just pretend that we are thinking of the children whilst our policies are actually loading them up with even more debt, but I will be dead by then so it doesn't matter.

There you go make, I've answered the question for you.

Gingernaut · 30/11/2017 00:06

Thanks Justanotherlurker and rale124, but no one who matters is reading this.

The Momentum bots will not hear or pass on any criticism and unless we all spoil our ballot papers, no one is going to do anything constructive.

No one will recognise and acknowledge either the depth of feeling or the opinions of those they expect to vote for them and at no point will anyone do something to root out corruption.

We're talking to ourselves.

All the political parties have arcane and opaque rules, committees and structures which can be used by those who understand it to maintain the status quo.

They only pay lip service to their own rules and are happy to undermine and drive out anyone who disagrees with them, using their own rule book to achieve this.

Every political party is so completely out of touch and has been for so long, that I genuinely don't think I will see anyone worth voting for rise in any party in time for me to vote in the next election.

somanyusernames · 30/11/2017 16:38

You’d have more luck getting Corbyn to listen to you if you were a terrorist than a moderate that disagreed with him.

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