to wonder why Corbyn isn't more popular considering the battering Theresa May/the Tories is getting?

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The Tories/Theresa May have been getting an absolute kicking in the press recently (rightly deserved) and every day there seems to be a new controversy. May seems completely inefficient and doesn't seem to know whether she is coming or going (literally).

However, I am surprised that Corbyn/Labour is not polling higher. On all the polls I have looked at his rating seems to be either equal to, very slightly above or very slightly below May. He should be well out in front at this point.

I am not a Corbyn/Labour fan (although agree with a lot of their policies) but I am wondering why is he not polling better?

And of course nobody died unnecessarily as a consequence of the last labour government's actions?!

Again - and let's remain focused - the stated ideology of the Conservative Party is to enrich the upper levels of society with the hopes that enough will "trickle down" to keep those at the bottom secure. Those who cannot, for whatever reason, survive are faulted.

It doesn't matter who is leader, the philosophy is faulted and immoral.

I don’t support the Tories either

Corbyn, Livingston, McDonnell are all the same agitators and the left have issues with antisemitism but let’s pretend we all believe the report written by Baroness Chakrabarti oh and that we didn’t notice Corbyn did fuck all during the launch of report when one of his MP’s (a Jewish women) was laid into by one of his supporters (what a coincidence) was visibly upset and then he arranged to get in touch with him after

Besides which, austerity has failed - debt is rising not falling.

Please go away, and come back when you've learned what a deficit and surplus mean.

Debt won't go down until you've removed a deficit. (How will your credit card bill go down if you're spending £1000 a month, but only paying off £400 a month? You're credit card DEBT will rise until you're in surplus, paying back more than what you're spending.) The deficit is alot smaller now than what it was under the shit show of Labour (yes there was a financial crash in the middle of it) but they were still spending money like it was going out of fashion, something Mr. Corbyn wants to resume, hopefully if they get back into power they're a bit more responsible this time, and don't leverage everything on to eye watering PFI credit deals to build shiney new things.

I'd rather shit in my hand then vote for Labour in a general election, I live in a Labour safe seat in the North East, they'd vote a turnip in if it had a red tie on, they take the priviledge they have up here for granted, I hope one day it changes. Ironically I did vote for Corbyn in the leadership race because I wanted to see the car crash that he'd orchestrate, I'm not disappointed so far.

Are you actually serious?

Firstly, of course there was a large increase in the deficit under the last government - that's what happens when there's a global financial crash. And amazing how many still blame that on labour.

You're also missing the point that the tories promised the deficit would be paid down by 2015... except it was still £80bn by then.

But I'm unsure why I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion with someone who allegedly votes for someone to gleefully watch a shitstorm. Utter idiocy.

And again, people dying. Right now. You can sit around and wank on about Corbyn's flaws, while people in this country die of malnutrition or commit suicide after being treated like pond scum by the DWP.

And of course nobody died unnecessarily as a consequence of the last labour government's actions?!

No iraq was fully justified, not true labour!!

Again - and let's remain focused

Righto mum

You can sit around and wank on about Corbyn's flaws

Such an educated answer. To me his flaws and inability to deal with problems within his own party are an issue.

Firstly, of course there was a large increase in the deficit under the last government - that's what happens when there's a global financial crash.

It was increasing before the crash. At a time when we were supposedly growing and prospering, we should have been repaying the debt, but Brown was still borrowing more and more to prop up the illusion of growth. Some of us don't foget how he kept expanding the length of the economic cycle as he kept breaking his own "golden rule" of a balanced budget over the economic cycle!! Even despite selling off some of the country's gold reserves, the deficit was still growing. Even with some pretty disastrous tax grabs on pension schemes, the deficit was still growing.

You can sit around and wank on about Corbyn's flaws

You're such a lovely person. Labour screwed up the economy and some of Brown's idiotic policies are still causing problems today. You can't airbrush his economic incompetence. Labour supporters thought he was a great economist! The same Labour supporters think Corbyn is a great leader. See the pattern???

Firstly, of course there was a large increase in the deficit under the last government - that's what happens when there's a global financial crash. And amazing how many still blame that on labour.

Labour didn't cause it, but after the no more "boom and bust" they put us into a situation where by we couldn't weather the storm very well, I think you need to talk to Make, he will explain the best he can keynesian economics.

You're also missing the point that the tories promised the deficit would be paid down by 2015... except it was still £80bn by then.

So what you are saying is that you wanted the tories to cut the deficit harder and throttle public services/local councils more than they did?

Because he’s a Trotsky-Ite closet (not so much) antisemiteic wanker?

More or less this. Don’t forget his terrorist sympathising tendencies though (that’s now being imaginatively rebranded as ‘How JC single handedly brought about peace in Northern Ireland’).

Oh yeah.

Iraq.

I left Labour over that.

are you honestly saying things are not worse now?

I'm struggling to think of a time when they've ever gotten better under any government.

If I thought Labour could actually fix anything rather than just pissing my taxes up the wall I'd vote for them like a shot. But at the moment the only party I trust to spend my money in the best way (best out of all the parties, not bestest in the whole wide world) ^isn't& Labour, so they don't get my vote.

@Biker47 I'd rather shit in my hand then vote for Labour in a general election, I live in a Labour safe seat in the North East, they'd vote a turnip in if it had a red tie on, they take the priviledge they have up here for granted, I hope one day it changes.

Similar, except blue for me, although the demographics are changing over time. I spent a lot of time trying to engage with local candidates last year.

Blue - didn't even bother canvassing, he was so confident.
Yellow - spent a lot of time debating and discussing issues all over local social media groups, actively working on local issues and trying to find out what was going on in the council.
Red - spent all his time slagging off every other candidate with absolutely no reference to what his own thoughts were. Even explicitly saying "please tell me what your policies are on xyz issue" resulted in a rant about how the Conservatives are mean and nasty ner ner ner. Completely impossible to have a conversation with - bit like Make on here. He just looks petty and childish.

I really wanted to vote Yellow, so much. But I was so scared to see a Red win (nationwide, let alone locally) I had to go Blue just to keep them out.

So what you are saying is that you wanted the tories to cut the deficit harder and throttle public services/local councils more than they did?

This misses the point.

Again, the Conservative philosophy is that by cutting taxes and fiscal spending the wealthy will be enriched and begin to invest. The "trickle down".

We all agree this did not happen. Cutting fiscal spending during a downturn actually causes conditions to worsen. Ten year's of Tory Lost Growth and stagnation. Debt rising.

Increased divide between rich and poor. Wealth of he richest growing. Services cut. Suffering to the poor the sick and the disabled. Stagnation. People turning on one another. Division.

It is their ideology.

Once upon a time I believed in fairy tales.

I believed in happy endings and

When it turned out that politicians are all lying, self serving, craven, short term-ist, complacent, incompetent, in thrall to the USA and the Saudis and total bullshitters to boot, I stopped believing.

No, as I've stated and has been proven time and again, austerity does not work. The economy needs investment, not cuts. In the last 70 years labour governments have borrowed less and repaid more than conservative governments while engaging in increased public spending:
www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

How anyone can still buy into the fact that cutting public spending leads to savings overall is beyond me. The costs that result in simple terms from such false economies is immediately obvious - it's much less expensive to assist in maintaining the housing of impoverished people than it is to act once they're homeless. It's much less expensive to treat medical conditions before they become advanced and more debilitating, in terms of healthcare, workforce and benefits. It's far more expensive to privatise public services and assets despite the initial cash injection. These are not complex concepts. The national budget is not a household budget - spend less, save more. That's not how national economics work.

We have the worst economy in the G7 right now. Who has the best? Not another right wing austere economy, but rather Canada.
www.ft.com/content/79d4c812-a4ee-11e7-9e4f-7f5e6a7c98a2

TammySwansonTwo

You make some interesting points. For me anyway socialism is not the cure (Taxation is Theft)

On the other side, May does seem to be doing the best she can considering she didn't get a majority and is taking us out of the EU as voted for in the referendum.

Considering that she called a completely unnecessary election, despite insisting about 6 times that she wouldn't and throwing away a small but working majority. Partially destroy something wonder why it it is broken is a strange way of making the best of things.

TammySwanson, I completely agree with you about the Tories and austerity. It doesn't follow that Corbyn's policies offer a solution, however well he means.

For me anyway socialism is not the cure (Taxation is Theft)
Well then go live somewhere on remote iseland without access to any public services and provide all associated needs for yourself

Teensandfuture

My family and I are actually working towards that. We are in the process off setting up a off grid smallholding which will let us live outside of society

But Canada has a much smaller population than the U.K.

theweek.com/articles/687218/ugly-truth-canadas-welfare-state